Monday, August 20, 2007

Footage of Israeli Soldiers Beating Palestinian Children

The Israeli Apartheid Force is undoubtedly the most cowardly army in the world.



Ramallah, 19-08-07: Footage captured by an independent American filmmaker on Wednesday 15 August, showing Israeli soldiers beating, spitting on and throwing stones at three Palestinian children offers yet further proof that Israel's 543 permanent and 610 'flying' checkpoints "are sites of systematic torture and human rights violations against Palestinian civilians", said veteran human rights activist, Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi MP at a press conference held in Ramallah today.


The footage was captured at the Ras at-Tira checkpoint in the Qalqiliya District, and shows the three children attempting to cross the checkpoint in a horse cart when they are stopped by two Israeli soldiers. The female soldier is clearly shown beating the boys before spitting on them and sending them back the way they came. Her male colleague is then seen picking up stones from the ground and throwing them at the children as they drive away.


Dr. Barghouthi said the beatings were reminiscent of the physical assault of 18-year old university student Mohammad Jabali by Israeli soldiers near the notorious Huwwara checkpoint in Nablus on 18 March 2007. Four Israeli soldiers punched and kicked Jabali in the face, head and genitals, causing bleeding and a blood clot in his right testicle. Jabali was forced to undergo surgery and to have part of the testicle removed.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Israeli Apartheid Force is undoubtedly the most cowardly army in the world.

Undoubtedly. And the combined efforts of the incredibly brave mujahideen and Arab armies (which outnumber the Zionists by quite an order of magnitute) have pushed those cowards into the sea hundreds of times by now...

nadeem said...

Yeah, good point anonymous. By beating Palestinian children into submission, they've proven themselves un-cowardly to the entire Arab world.

Ok maybe cowardly isn't the right word... how about: savage? blood-thirsty? immoral? UNLAWFUL?

Anonymous said...

i think cowardly is the right word. fully armed and in a position of ultimate power, it is cowardly to abuse civilian populations. it also savage, immoral, unlawful.

Anonymous said...

Good point, Nadeem.

Clearly losing over and over to these incredibly cowardly, savage, blood-thirsty and immoral people, the combined forces of the brave, honorable, decent and moral mujahideen and the Arab armies have really proven their mettle - to everyone.

nadeem said...

Again. You missed the point - not because you're incapable of understanding it, but because you don't want to.

The IOF isn't cowardly in the sense that they're running screaming - clearly Palestine is under their (savage, immoral, unlawful) control.

They're cowardly for all the reasons Fadi and Anoymous 11:15 am state... because even though they're clearly in the position of power, they still find it necessary to violate innocent civilians on a daily basis in order stroke highly inflated egos. What's that mean?

They're fucking cowards! It's easy to be the tough guy when you're armed with an M16 and slapping the shit out of a poor boy riding in a horse cart.

Where's the bravery in that??

Pali-American said...

Anon,

How would you describe the scenes captured in this video footage?

Pali-American said...

Dah, so what if this is footage of something that happens all the time: armed soilders beating children and other innocent civilians. The same army also defeated other armies in wars.

You see if a big time player (over 18yrs old) rapes little kids, it doesn't make him a pedophile/rapist because he also bangs adult women all the time, with their lawful consent.

Anon 11:35 am, you're a dipshit.

programmer craig said...

Dr. Barghouthi said the beatings were reminiscent of the physical assault of 18-year old university student Mohammad Jabali by Israeli soldiers near the notorious

Palestinians consider an 18 year old a "child"? That's an adult, by law and by common sense.

As for those three teenagers (which they clearly were) in the cart... that was obviously a pre-planned confrontation. They set off in the cart with somebody (their father?) filming, said something to a female Israeli soldier that caused her to slap one of the teenage males, and then returned to their Dad, laughing about it.

What did they say? And why did they say it to a female soldier? I can think of a lot of things 3 teenage boys can say to a woman that merits a slap.

Fadi said...

"Palestinians consider an 18 year old a 'child'?"

Craig, you're mistaken. Nowhere in the entirey of this post is the 18 year old that was assaulted by the Israeli Apartheid soldiers considered a child. Perhaps you should read more carefuly before you make your silly comments.

Pali-American said...

Programmed Crackhead and his boy.

PC's Boy: Man PC, you hear about that girl that got raped?

PC: What happened?

PC's boy: here's some recorded footage [footage shows girl getting raped, wearing a short skirt].

PC: Ah man, she's not getting raped, she deserves it wearing a skirt like that.

Anonymous said...

PC: she's also at least 13, so who cares, there's nothing wrong with it!

Pali-American said...

"Palestinians consider an 18 year old a "child"? That's an adult, by law and by common sense."

Not only are you a dipshit who likes to obfusicate, you're also a coward who can't read.

You're lucky I don't pracitce cruelty to animals or I wouldn't change your mother's water dish tonight.

QuiQui said...

"Policewoman suspended for hitting Palestinians"

Associated Press
Aug 20, 2007

Border Police suspended a policewoman filmed last week hitting two Palestinians, a spokesman said Sunday.

The policewoman was filmed at an IDF checkpoint along the West Bank security barrier by the Palestinian organization Palestine Monitor, which sent the footage to reporters.

The brief film shows three Palestinians on a donkey cart approach the checkpoint. After an inaudible verbal exchange, the policewoman is seen hitting two of the Palestinians. Neither appeared to have been injured.

programmer craig said...

Fadi,

Craig, you're mistaken. Nowhere in the entirey of this post is the 18 year old that was assaulted by the Israeli Apartheid soldiers considered a child. Perhaps you should read more carefuly before you make your silly comments.

Perhaps if you read your own post more carefully, you'd see that a direct comparison is being made IN YOUR POST.

Also, these three in this incident, you described as children. They are not. They are all teenagers, at the least. One of them even looks like an adult male, to me.

Anonymous said...

Border Police suspended a policewoman filmed last week hitting two Palestinians, a spokesman said Sunday.

I don't believe it. The Nazi, Zionist, Zionazi, Apartheid, Cowardly, Savage, Brutal, Bloodthirsty (blah blah blah) army suspended this girl?

That doesn't make sense. This is Zionist propaganda, QuiQui. Clearly, they gave her a medal and promoted her to the exalted post of the Kuffar/Infidel/Zio-Jewess Commander of Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates (including Dearborn, Michigan).

"Neither appeared to have been injured."

The AP is a Zionist rag, clearly.

programmer craig said...

QuiQui,

The brief film shows three Palestinians on a donkey cart approach the checkpoint. After an inaudible verbal exchange, the policewoman is seen hitting two of the Palestinians.

She slapped them. Did you watch the video?

Did you see a "beating" - as this post claimed?

Did you see any "children" in that video?

Neither appeared to have been injured.

You can say that again. All three of them looked quite pleased with themselves at the end of that video. Wouldn't you agree?

I hope the three males are arrested (along with the cameraman) and an investigation is conducted to find out what really happened there. Sexually harassing female military personnel while they are on duty is a serious crime, in most countries. And if that's what happened, they are lucky all they got was a slap.

programmer craig said...

And last comment here: Are you people blind? Or did you not actually watch the video? Because I don't see how any rational person can watch that video and come up with this nonsense that's been posted on this blog, as a description of what happened. Maybe "pali american" because she's autistic, but what about Fadi? He's a US trained LAWYER. Could you convince a jury that what you said in your post was applicable to that video, Fadi?

Pali-American said...

Programmed Crackhead,

What did you see in the video?

Pali-American said...

...both videos, the one with the three boys and the second video. What did you see?

Fadi said...

"Perhaps if you read your own post more carefully, you'd see that a direct comparison is being made IN YOUR POST."

I really would like to believe that this is an innocent mistake you've made in somehow distorting Barghouthi's words as an indication that the comparison is being made due to the age of the beating victims. Listen Craig, I hate to have to dumb it down for you a bit, but if that's what it takes... Dr. Barghouthi said the beatings were reminiscent of the physical assault of the 18-year old university student, because - OBVIOUSLY - in both cases, Palestinians were being beaten by Israeli Apartheid soldiers. Nowhere is Dr. Barghouthi claiming or insinuating that the 18-year old is a child. But nonetheless, the age of Mohammad Jabali is completely irrelevant; what happened to him as an 18-year old is just as morally repugnant as if he were 6 or 72.

"Are you people blind? Or did you not actually watch the video? Because I don't see how any rational person can watch that video and come up with this nonsense that's been posted on this blog"

You do realize that the Apartheid soldier beating the children in this video was suspended, right.

"Sexually harassing female military personnel while they are on duty is a serious crime, in most countries."

It's just odd that you've dismissed the obvious in this video as improbable, while promoting an account of what happened that exists only in your head.

Furthermore, you do realize that this Apartheid soldier is participating in an illegal occupation.

Pali-American said...

Wow. Fadi put the burn in Programmer Crackhead's pathetic attempt to rationalize oppression.

School is in session. PC, put down the crack and take notes.

Anonymous said...

One wonders how Jews would fare under an arab occupation.

Would we be treated with the same consideration Shi'ites give to Sunnis (and vice versa) in Iraq today?

Me

programmer craig said...

OK, I lied about it being my last comment on this post!

I really would like to believe that this is an innocent mistake you've made in somehow distorting Barghouthi's words as an indication that the comparison is being made due to the age of the beating victims.

He said what he said, Fadi. And there isn't a spit worth of difference between the age of the guys in this video, or the (18 year old age) of the guy in the other one.

None of them are "children". You lied about that.

You lied about the "beating" part, too.

Which part of this post was honest? I ask again, did you even watch this video? Or did you just post it and make up a story about it?

But nonetheless, the age of Mohammad Jabali is completely irrelevant; what happened to him as an 18-year old is just as morally repugnant as if he were 6 or 72.

That's an intellectually dishonest statement, Fadi. You went out of your way to claim these were "Children". That is the word YOU used. Repeatedly.

You do realize that the Apartheid soldier beating the children in this video was suspended, right.

See? You used the word "children" again. Obviously, the age of the people involved is very important to you. Why do you lie and claim it isn't? That's your version of "dumbing it down" for me? You tell me lies?

You used the "beating" lie again, too. I'll ask one more time... did you watch the video? I think you must not have. There is no beating on that video. The woman slapped a couple male teenagers who were probably sexually harassing her.

I saw that she was suspended. That's the norm when something is being investigated. I hoep the Palestinians involved are also investigated, and arrested and prosecuted for their crimes if they were making abusive sexual comments to an female Israeli soldier while she was on duty.

And if it was planned (as I think it obviously was) I hope the camera man and the Bigbhouti person are also arrested and prosecuted.

I hope justice is done, Fadi. That's what you want too, right?

It's just odd that you've dismissed the obvious in this video as improbable, while promoting an account of what happened that exists only in your head.

What's obvious in the video? This:

1) A man filmed 3 Palestinian teenage males getting into a cart and approaching a checkpoint.

2) He filmed them saying some things to a female Israeli soldier that weer inaudible.

3) The female soldier slapped one (I only saw one slap) of the teenage males

4) The cart drove off

5) The male soldier picked up a small rock and threw it towards the departing cart

6) The cart returned to it's starting point: the man with the camera. The 3 teenage males in the cart who were involved in the incident were laughing and quite pleased about what had just happened

That's what was obvious to me. That's what I saw. What did you see?

Furthermore, you do realize that this Apartheid soldier is participating in an illegal occupation.

Which means what? That it's OK for you to publish propaganda videos on this blog?

That's not even a good propaganda video. It's way too obvious what was going on there. How stupid do you think people are, Fadi?

This video is a good example of why I consider this blog to be comic relief.

Irony said...

One wonders how Germans would fare if jews were in charge of Germany. Would Germans be killed in a holocaust conducted by Jews?

Nidalio said...

Craig,

A simple question. If you watched the video without knowing what's going on, and then you were told that the ARMED soldiers in the video are Palestinians and the ARMLESS kids (regardless of their age) were Israeli kids, what would be your reaction? Let's make it simpler. If you had no clue who was in the video and where the video was taking place, what would you think of the actions taking place?

programmer craig said...

If you had no clue who was in the video and where the video was taking place, what would you think of the actions taking place?

My interpretation would be exactly the same. I stated what I saw in that video. Did you see something different? You seem to be challenging my objectivity. Which of the 6 observations I made do you disagree with? And what did you see, that I didn't? Are you sure it's me who viewed this video through an emotional filter?

PS-I've spoken out against the behavior of US troops in the past, when they were in the wrong. On issues both large on small. If you look on the archives of Iraqi blogs, you will see that. Not that you care. It's so much easier to just embrace the propaganda, isn't it? So much safer, emotionally, when you are always right and the enemy is always wrong. Bottom line, I watched that video several times and I flatly don't believe that woman just decided to go slap that guy for no reason, two minutes into a conversation. There wasn't any threatening body language, no previous physical contact, etc. Something happened. And since the only thing I could see going on was the Palestinian guys talking, I assume they said something.

Fadi, I ask again... do you think you could convince a jury that video shows what you claim it does?

Lowfields said...

"Do you think you could convince a jury that video shows what you claim it does?"

If I claimed I had been slapped and punched eight times by one soldier, and punched a single time by another, then the video should convince anyone but a moron called Craig.

If I was in a non-Zionist-occupied-US-financed-racist state, it wouldn't matter if I wilfully accused a policeman of being a racist IT nerd with no f***ing life called Craig, the beating would have left me with a fat cheque and the police force a few officers short.

Unless I was in Texas and black, of course... then Craig would say it was my my fault. Just after zipping up his khakis after five delightful minutes with an Iraqi virgin, of course....

Anonymous said...

The Israeli government believes the video.

Anonymous said...

Cant wait for israeli cowards to be posted to lebanon to face the REAL soldiers of Hezbolla who hone thier fighting prowess destroying israeli tanks as opposed to slapping teenagers.
What a deep seated inferiority complex the zionists have, they have to 'prove' their superiority at every turn. Granted they refer to palastinians as beasts that walk on two legs so why are they afraid of them. Granted they call the rest of us cockroaches and goyim , so why do they have to prove themselves to us?

Hindus said...

What else can you expect from Israel- World's most hated state? Can i hear someone calling me an anti-semite? Well, i do not hate Jews. I HATE ISRAEL! If there are people who want to brand me as an anti-semite, so be it. Now, do not think i am a Muslim and start insulting Islam. I AM A HINDU

Anonymous said...

What comes around goes around. The time will soon be at hand for it to go back around. God willing.

Nidalio said...

Craig,

I find little credence in the fact that your reaction or thoughts would be the same had you known that the Israeli soldiers were Arab or Peruvian or whatever.

What I saw in the video that you failed to see is "humiliation." What happened in both parts of the video are absolutely no different than the humiliation the Jews endured on Nazi controlled streets, or the humiliation blacks endured living in a segregated society.

You have no objectivity to challenge, Craig.

Anonymous said...

One day, the world will realize how much Israel (and it's Zionist leaders) are cowards. One day, Americans will wake up and realize that no one man can serve two masters. One day, America will say "screw you Israel" and have them fight their own wars. When that day comes, Israel will go down faster than me taking a dump and the world will be a safer and better place!!!!

programmer craig said...

Nidalio,

I find little credence in the fact that your reaction or thoughts would be the same had you known that the Israeli soldiers were Arab or Peruvian or whatever.

And I really care what a Palestinian "activist" thinks of MY objectivity, don't I?

I don't have anything personal at stake in this. You do.

What I saw in the video that you failed to see is "humiliation."

a) My ass. Whatever those guys said, they provoked that confrontation, deliberately, which is abundantly clear both in the video and in the very fact that the whole incident was obviously staged for the camera.

b) Is it only "humiliation" because they are Arabs and the soldiers were not? You haven't answered me about the blind eye Arabs turn to the many "humiliations" that Arabs perpetrate on each other, have you?

c) Can we get a transcript of what those teenage male Palestinians said to that female Israeli soldier? I'd like to see who it was who was really humiliated, wouldn't you?

What happened in both parts of the video are absolutely no different than the humiliation the Jews endured on Nazi controlled streets, or the humiliation blacks endured living in a segregated society.

I fail to see any relevance. This comparing of Palestinians to every other victim class in the world is getting really old.

You have no objectivity to challenge, Craig.

So says the activist, to the neutral.

And you still haven't pointed out where my interpretation of that video is incorrect. And if my observations were correct, there was no "humiliation" because those three teenagers got exactly the reaction that they wanted. So, the only thing you claimed to see that i didn't see, is a lie.

programmer craig said...

By the way, is anybody ever going to admit there is no beating in that video, and no children?

Pali-American said...

Programmed Crackhead,

If Israel was a democracy, like the US, would a uniformed official with a maching gun be allowed to physically assault someone the way is apparent in this video...for any reason? If so, is this an example of one of those reasons?

Also, you never discuss the second video of the one guy being physically assaulted by the soilders. What are your thoughts on that video?

Anonymous said...

no beating? no children? are you blind

Anonymous said...

Well i suppose the kids should be grateful they were not shot, after all israeli officers only lose two days pay for shooting thirteen year old girls five times in the head at point blank range.
The sickening thing about the video is how the idf thugs have a checkpoint on palistinian land and control at the point of a gun who goes where in their own country.99.9% of so called israelis are khazars from armenia and are a nation that converted to judaism a few hundred years ago for political advantage. any claim to the promised land is a lie.
israel is on its way out, the americans who bankroll its economy are waking up to the fact that they are being ripped off. no yankee dollar = no zionists.

Anonymous said...

If only Hitler had finished the job none of this shit would be happening.

Pali-American said...

Anon 3:07, take your hate somewhere else. Don't try to link your hate with our calls for justice in Palestine/Israel. You and Programmer Crackhead should form a hate blog and go at it. Take that bullshit somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

Few words for the SOB AMERICANS and their JEW TRASH FRIENDS, It ain't GOING TO BE PRETTY soon TRUST ME...EVERY DOG HAS HIS DAY!

Anonymous said...

programmer craig:

You are obviously blind as well as stupid.

The word children is the plural of child, and the word child is defined as "a boy or girl from the time of birth until he or she is an adult" by the Cambridge Dictionary. You yourself said they are teenagers, meaning multiple non-adults - or "children". Learn English some time.

Also you state that there was only one slap. Once again you are blind or stupid.

For some reason the video time is a countdown, so the following times are taken from the counter in the video and seem to indicate time remaining.

The first hit came at 1:22 and was a punch to the arm of the child wearing black on the right. It was hard enough to push all three children to the left.

Then the woman walks round to the child wearing blue and at 1:12 punches the child in blue, also in the arm.

Then she walks back around to the child in black, and between 1:04 and 1:00 she punches the boy in the face and slaps him in the back of the head, for a total of 3 hits.

All in all I count 5 separate hits.

Finally, what is a beating? Well Cambridge Dictionary also comes to our aid (you really should get one) and defines "beating" as the noun of "beat", and "beat" to mean "to hit repeatedly".

So we have 3 non-adults, children, hit repeatedly, beaten.

See the English language is not so hard, is it.

By the way, the man with the Camera was obviously either American, Canadian, or some other westerner, judging by the accent and the exclamation "Jesus" when the IDF woman punches the CHILD in the face.

programmer craig said...

Are you imagining things? I just watched it for the 4th time and I only saw one (slap) that actually made contact. I saw another that didn't. The rest of what you claim, it's impossible to tell what, if anything, happened, but I reject your claim that any of those teens was struck in those instances based on the simple fact that none of them flinched, or made any other move indicated they'd been struck.

Nice semantic definitions of words as well.

http://www.answers.com/topic/child?cat=health

child (chīld) pronunciation
n., pl. chil·dren (chĭl'drən).

1.
1. A person between birth and puberty.


That is the most commonly understood meaning of the world "child". Those guys were all over the age of puberty.

As for "beating" I don't think any average Joe would characterize what was in that video as a "beating". Maybe an ideologue like you who wants to promote an agenda at all costs, but lets put it in front of a Jury and see what they say.

I don't really care where the cameraman was from. He's in on the scam. They should all be investigated. We should all know what really happened there.

Nice commentary from the Palestinians on this blog, by the way. We're really on the roadmap to peace. How much lower do Palestinians have to sink into the shit before they stop digging themselves in deeper?

Pali-American said...

"We're really on the roadmap to peace..."

Programmed Crackhead, you've actually stated on this blog that you don't like Palestinians, period.

Pali-American said...

PC,

I see you're engaging in defining words, when convinient for you, but you won't even answer any of my questions. Typical coward.

programmer craig said...

Programmed Crackhead, you've actually stated on this blog that you don't like Palestinians, period.

Yes. I don't like autistic Egyptians who think they are Palestinians, either.

Define... ehm... "convinient"

my final word said...

These "soldiers" disgrace the uniform of the IDF. Clearly they have no respect for their uniform, for their profession, or for 'the most moral army in the world'.

I suspect the IDF assigns checkpoint duty to scum. This film proves it.

Jundi said...

programmer craig .. i'm going to consider your replies to this thread as taunts and provocations .. therefore this gives me the right to beat your ass when i find you

u keep repeating the same crap about oh they must've said something to her .. well let's assume they did .. so the f what .. does that give her - a soldier in uniform - the right to hit and spit on the kids? .. so when ur child talks back to you do you beat them and spit on them .. u are a sick person .. u should be ashamed of yourself trying so hard to justify what is happening in the video .. filthy disgusting zionist rat

programmer craig said...

programmer craig .. i'm going to consider your replies to this thread as taunts and provocations .. therefore this gives me the right to beat your ass when i find you

You are welcome to try. I'm not responsible for your behavior problems, but I'll be happy to issue you a correction. Hopefully you won't be too badly injured in the process, but I make no guarantees.

u keep repeating the same crap about oh they must've said something to her .. well let's assume they did ..

OK. Lets say they did. Because they obviously did. You know?

so the f what .. does that give her - a soldier in uniform - the right to hit and spit on the kids?

Where is this "spitting" coming from? If we're going to start talking about spitting, how do you know they didn't spit on her? Why, when she was standing right in front of one of the guys, did she walk all the way around that cart to smack a different one? No reason? Just random chaotic behavior?


.. so when ur child talks back to you do you beat them and spit on them ..

Oh, I see. That's why you had to fabricate this "spitting" thing, because parents don't spit on their kids, but they do sometimes smack them.

I suspect the biggest problem Muslim males have is their mothers spoil them, instead of spanking their nasty asses when they get out of line. It isn't Islam. It's Mom's who treat their snotty little punk boys like they are royalty.

To get back on topic, were you ever a 14 year old boy, Jundi? Did you ever get smacked my an adult woman, when you were 14 years old?

My Father married his second wife (a big Irish woman) when I was about that age. She didn't like me much. She used to try to communicate with me by smacking me in the back of the head. I guess some Irish families think that's good child rearing. I used to ignore her and act like nothing happened. The more frustrated she got, the harder she'd hit me. She eventually broke one of the metacarpal bones in her hand. She never struck me again, after that. Luckily she didn't decide to whack me with the cast, eh?

Bottom line, I don't think that Israeli woman could have injured any of those three teenagers with her bare hands, no matter how hard she tried. And she didn't look like she was trying very hard, to me.

Nidalio said...

Craig,

Let's say cops stopped you and they laid their hand on you the exact same way the soldiers in the video laid their hand on the kids (don't forget about the second part of the video, not just the kids on the cart). Now would they be beating you or what? The second part of the video didn't look like slapping to me. That's one.

Two, your logic on this issue is pretty weak. Rather than employ logic and objectivity, you simply "dismiss" anything you don't want to agree with. What do Arabs who turn a blind eye to other Arabs have to do with this situation? Your logic is simplified as follows:

Your wife walks in and catches you cheating on her. She gets pissed and flips out. Rather than admitting fault, you say, "well, your brother cheated on his wife, why do you turn a blind eye to that and scream at me?"

A morally wrong action cannot be justified by another morally wrong action. Get it, Craig?

programmer craig said...

nidalio,

I'm glad you switched to a hypothetical I have some experience with.

Let's say cops stopped you and they laid their hand on you the exact same way the soldiers in the video laid their hand on the kids

I was with a friend of mine once back in the 1980s when we were approached by cops. Six cops, actually. They had thought my friend (who was black) was somebody else. He tried to explain to them that they had the wrong guy, but they didn't want to hear it. He got a little loud and they tasered him. They (the cops) were all standing around laughing, while my buddy was doing the funky chicken on the pavement. That's when I got a little loud, and the cops were fresh out of tasers since the darts were still embedded in my friends chest, so they tried to wrestle me to the ground instead. A couple of them fell down in the process, which no doubt embarrassed the hell out of them, so they arrested me and charged me with resisting and delaying, battery on a police officer, so on and so forth. The only thing that saved my ass was that I was on active duty in the US Marine Corps and so they dropped the charges. My friend (a civilian) was not so lucky, and he spent a few weeks in Los Angeles County Jail. Even though the whole thing was a case of mistaken identity.

What the cops did was wrong. And I hope they aren't on the police force any more. But what my friend and I did was wrong, too. You don't get to be abusive with cops (or military people on post) and get away with it.

In this video, I don't see anything like the level of misconduct going on that I did in the example I just gave. And if those guys weer being abusive to an Israeli soldier who was clearly manning an official checkpoint, they deserved a lot worse than a smack or two. That's my assessment of the video, based on what I can see.

(don't forget about the second part of the video, not just the kids on the cart).

I don't know anything about that incident, and I didn't comment on it.

A morally wrong action cannot be justified by another morally wrong action. Get it, Craig?

OK. Is it morally wrong for an incident to be staged for propaganda purposes? Is it morally wrong for teenage males to become verbally abusive (sexually or otherwise) to an officer on duty?

To use the argument you just gave, the actions of the female Israeli soldier do not justify the wrong done by the cameraman and the three teenage males. Right?

Pali-American said...

The boys actually have supernatural powers. They caused the soilder to hit and spit on them, purely for propoganda purposes.

They are also causing PC to ignore the second video and introduce assumptions that are baseless and even if taken as true don't make the actions any more or less horrible--just for propoganda purposes.

They have supernatural powers, just like PC. PC is able to teabag two zionuts (no pun intended!) at the same time and still obfusicate and type hateful racist comments.

Pali-American said...

If you watch the second video, its clear that the soilders aren't hitting that guy, they're trying to get a fly off of him. It was a big fly too, it could've bit him. My question is, how much does he owe those soilders for getting the fly off of him?

Nidalio said...

Craig,

Regardless whether the your and your friend's behavior was wrong, what the cops did to the two of you was wrong. Period. The same applies to those soldiers. If you can't see the relevance in both situations, then that's a problem I hope you resolve one day.

As for the second part of the video, I didn't expect you to acknowledge it, because that would refute your argument that you don't see any beatings in the video. But it's ok, go ahead and "turn a blind eye."

Finally, your arguements are based on your own personal assessment of the video. I would like to answer your question about whether it's morally wrong to verbally abuse the soldier and use the incident as propaganda, etc, however, I can't give you an answer because those are assumptions you're making based on what you see. Did you hear them insult the soldier? Or is your psychic ability that brought you to conclude that?

Pali-American said...

Occupation of Palestine? Displacement of indiginous people? Rabin implementing the "bone breaking" policy against Palestinian youth during the first uprising? Settlements being built on Palestinian owned land whereupon non-Jews are not allowed to live on but Jews from Russia, etc. are brought over and given free-to-cheap housing? Torture? Controlling millions of people yet denying them the same priviledges under your control that you give to others, based solely on religion?

All the above is caused by the three Palestinians on that cart and the Palestinian in the second video having a fly beat off of him by IDF soilders. They are using their secret powers to cause all this for one purpose: Propoganda! For over 60 years, they have suffered under constant oppression and apartheid, not because of Israel or its actions or its racist (or the moral equivalent of racist) ideology! But because these four Palestinians in this video have used their psychic powers, for propoganda purposes!

Can't you see this?

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Clearly, the least desirable life to have on earth is that of a Palestinian in Israel. The quality of life for these people is zero!

Israel has a problem. It is obvious that it cannot sustain the current situation indefinitely. How do you solve the problem? Kill all the Arabs or find some way to make peace?

Israel's existence is unsustainable as a self reliant entity in fixed, peaceful borders; it needs enemies to justify its rapacious behavior and constant begging for outside financial support.

No decent person be he Jew or otherwise can watch the way things go in Israel without disgust. I know many Jews who have returned to the USA from Israel because they do not like the aparthied and repression.

In other words, no amount of money can rationalize and justify the theft of a peoples land based upon a biblical covenant that G-d made with people who are poorly represented in Israeli demographics.

Ashkenazi jews were converts from Khazaria in the 8th century A.D.. Ashkenazi Jews run the show.

Beam me up, Scotty!!