[A guest post by my friend, Joe Kitano.]
Here’s the thing I don’t understand about Palestine and Israel.
Well see, there’s seems to be a
perfect solution in my head
that seems so workable
I don’t know why it hasn’t been tried.
So what I’d like, KABOBers,
is for you to tell me why this can’t happen.
And I realize that I speak from a place of ignorance,
but more importantly,
I think with an American mindset.
A mindset that believes in democracy and/
Well, let me just lay it out, yuh?
If I was running things,
if I was the George Washington of Palestine,
(assuming there could be someone like that)
I would lay it out like this:
“We give up. Sorry about all the bad blood.
The West Bank and Gaza are yours.
It’s not the Occupied Territory, it is Israel.
The hardcore right-wing Zionists were right.
God said everything between the Jordan River
and the sea belongs to the Jews.
We agree. We are in Israel.
Jerusalem is the eternal capital,
and we here in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank
are all citizens of Israel.
Our brothers and kinsmen
that were chased out of the country in 48,
well sorry guys, you shouldn’t have left.
Stay in Jordan and Egypt and wherever,
maybe we can work something out later.
But everyone inside the borders now are citizens of Israel.
Yay! (crazy eh? Well, bear with me.)
Now we former Palestinians, now Israelis…
we all get a vote, right? This is a Democracy, right?
I mean, that’s what great about Israel.
With all these kingdoms and dictatorships all around,
this is the one democracy. A shining beacon, if you will.
The “Palestinian-Israelis” get to vote, so do we.
Now as of 2005, according to Wikipedia and the CIA factbook,
There are 5.4 million Jews in Israel and 1.7 non-Jews
(Muslims, Christians, Druze and so forth)
There are 3.6 million Palestinians (93% Muslim, 7% Christian)
in the Occupied Territories.
Mmm… interesting.
And your Knesset isn’t like US Government;
even little parties get some representation.
If our cause stays unified,
we would control almost half of the Knesset.
So pretty much whoever wants to be Prime Minister
is going to have to deal with us.
And hey, we don’t want too much:
just repatriation and equal rights.
Land of Israel Refugees
in Egypt and Jordan.
Not even all at once. No no.
A slow licensing process, maybe some government aid,
but none of their old land back, just citizenship
(and a vote).
Oh and the inequities of education, sanitation, infrastructure
and health care,
no no, that must stop.
The hospitals and schools in Nablus should be just
as good as the ones in Tel Aviv.
And then in one grand gesture
I would turn to all my Palestinian brothers and sisters
I would say
–well maybe not exactly like this-
but I’d turn to them and say,
“START FUCKING!”
As it stands right now,
the birth rate among Palestinians is 50% that of Jewish Israelis
There could be a Palestinian majority in 5 years.
See, as the George Washington of the Palestinians,
I would explain to my people that there are four ways to vote:
Vote with your vote.
Register, make every vote count.
Vote with your money.
Buy right, boycott brands.
Vote with your feet.
If you don’t like the municipality, move.
And finally, vote with your dick.
You think a government policy is hateful and discriminatory,
have a whole bunch of kids and teach them to think the same way.
Teach your kids – Muslim, Christian, whatever – that a democracy
shouldn’t have a state religion.
So then in five years,
(which by the way is a blip in the history of the struggles of this land),
Non-Jews are now the majority population in the state of Israel,
and the Prime Minister, he’s a non-Jew too.
Heck, maybe I’ll take the job.
Well, there you go, end of the Jewish State.
Isn’t that what the desire is?
Isn’t that what they’ve wanted since 1948
That was 59 years ago!
In a tenth of that time we could eliminate the Jewish State entirely
and no one would get hurt.
No shootings, no pogroms, no ghettos, no jihad.
Just simply the organized will of the people to vote and fuck.
So why won’t this work?
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It won't work because Israel will make sure it doesn't work. That simple.
I co-sign Nidalio.
They are plotting how to deal with the demographics of our people now, Allahu'A3lam what they have in store for us.
Word, Yasser. A friend of mine who's an Israeli-Palestinian once told me that when his sister when for a regular check up after having her first baby, the doctor asked if she ever considered a hysterectomy (removal of the womb when one wishes to have permanent birth control, etc). Meanwhile, settlers are asked to do nothing but sit at home and make babies. I'm not kidding. Most of these guys with the long sideburns don't have jobs. The government pays them to live in those settlements to change the demographics. So for Israel to let Palestinians become equals also means economic equality and opportunity. Hell, Gazans under poverty are making more babies than the Israelis, and given economic opportunity (even what the West Bankers have), they will double the population in no time. That allowed is pretty much suicide for Israel, and they know it.
Isn’t that what the desire is?
Isn’t that what they’ve wanted since 1948
No.
And I realize that I speak from a place of ignorance
Yes.
There's the answer to your question.
Cheers.
Why won't this work, Joe Kitano?
Because you don't fully understand what Zionism is. It strives for ownership of the land - WITHOUT the people.
Israel already controls the West Bank and Gaza regardless of whether Palestinians concede or not.
It's equal rights that they refuse to bestow on Palestinians - because they don't want them there.
The idea is to make life so unbearable that we leave.
End of story.
With all due respect, (and I don't mind saying this because you start off by apologizing for your "ignorance"), you don't understand the issue.
It's Zionism.
this has already been discussed at length in the posts below -- it's a nice idea but it's a fantasy.
Does it really need to be spelled out again?
are palestinian national aspirations that fickle? With the same logic, couldn't the Palestinians merge just as easily, if not more seamlessly, into Jordan? Something's afoot..
This solution is not unlike what many are calling for in the "one state solution" where everyone's equal, everyone loves each other, democracy works, racism ends...
Hey, just like in this country!
This is not a solution Israel would go for as long as it wants to continue being a Jewish state -- the basis for its founding in the first place.
Thus, if it came down to picking between democracy and a Jewish state, Israel wouldn't hesitate to pick the latter. And that's Zionism -- a state created for a group of people because they're Jewish -- a state created for no body else. In other words Zionism is racism.
There is no way to put that delicately.
Zionism, which can be made to sound deceptively fair and rational in the post-Holocaust context, has produced its own Holocaust on a different group of people. It's not surprising because this is the practice of states -- to create a homogenous nation that is easily governed by the few in power while leaving others who do not fit in OUT -- even if you gotta kill em. "State-sponsored genocide" is quite the redundant phrase...
So now, worse than a one-state solution (which is a solution even this anarchic theorist feels extremely compelled to condone considering the every day lived experience of those disenfranchised, dispossessed, displaced, disetcetera doesn't always give a shit about the impracticabilities of anarchic theories) is the two-state solution. Israel is championing this now because (surprise!) it wants to continue to be Jewish. In fact, Israeli FM Tzipi Livni was on the news today urging the world community to "lend its support for the current drive by Israel and the Palestinians to reach “true peace” based on a two-state solution."
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=74300
Well, you know what? Fuck Tzipi and her Livni.
Two states -- totally impractical because Israel would continue to control BOTH -- would continue to breed divisions, difference, resentment, and hatred, and why don't we get to know our fucking neighbors so we can learn that nobody's better than anybody else?
Man, states suck.
Partition sucks.
There's no way to put that delicately either. Perhaps more articulately...
Right now, to give anything a try, would mean to have the approval of Israel as it holds almost all of the cards in its hand and will continue to until the U.S. cuts off its blind support and a more even playing field is created.
But right now, the power imbalance is so great, and as long as it continues to be so, Israel will have to concede almost nothing. To give any more non-Jews voting rights would be anathema to all that Zionism is supposed to stand for. It already sees the Palestinian-Israelis who are able to vote as a "cancerous growth" conspiring to overthrow the Jewish state from within -- so much so, that there have been talks of "transfering" them out. Perhaps to a the new Palestinian state they're calling for?
The situation is screwed as long as the U.S. continues to be Israel's bitch. Until that ends, there will be no justice because there will have to be no justice. And in turn, there will be no peace.
QuiQui, I pretty much agree with you. I think, however, that what you are saying is slightly different than what Joe is. Perhaps it's what he's thinking - but surely not what he's saying...
His approach is condescending, to both Palestinians and Israelis – at best.
Yeah, but I know Joe. And I don't think he's being condescending. I think this a piece of sarcasm and curiosity with a lot of contempt for the state and its institutionalized forms of belonging mixed in.
I do think that what he's thinking is what a lot of Americans are thinking -- and I say that coming from a background that knew everything she knew about Israel/Palestine from CNN. When I wondered about it and raised my own questions, a lot of it didn't make sense.
Then, after you've realized you've been lied to for so long, you have a million and one questions but find it difficult to trust anyone enough for answers.
Americans are kept in a haze about this stuff -- and purposefully so -- and the complexity of the facts might be taken for granted by many Arab Americans who grew up knowing about this since birth.
Joe's asking questions. He wants to know, and doesn't pretend to know everything like so many others who visit this site. These musings can sound frustrating you're so close to the topic and so much of the answers are obvious. But dialogue with others is key, so I feel that these types of questions need to be answered -- and perhaps in a polite, more controlled manner, no?
:-D
Hahaha – if it’s sarcasm, then my apologies for saying its “condescending.” I, however, read it along lines like these: Dude, even me – who doesn’t know much about the issue – can see how painfully obvious the solution is. What the hell is wrong with you people??
But even if that's not how it was meant to be read - it's still overly simplistic and disregards the human aspects of the conflict. After all, if it was simply a math equation - it would've been solved long ago. Let's not forget who invented Algebra...
Worse still, it seems to altogether disregard Zionism as an obstacle and place the sole responsibility for achieving self-determination in the hands of Palestinians - as if we're the ones impeding it to begin with.
But I concede, you're absolutely right - it probably is what a lot of well-intenioned people are thinking, and dialogue is the key.
Which is the whole reason for KABOBfest...
And although I disagree with Joe's insight and approach, appreciate the fact that he's stirring up some much needed dialogue on this issue.
"End of the Jewish State - Isn't that what they want?"
Please, someone try and rationalize to me how this isn't flat out racism.
It's one thing to desire the end of the occupation - but if I were to say that I desire the end of all "Muslim States," would I not be thrown into a proverbial meat grinder for insinuating that I just don't want Muslims to have statehood?
I'm still haven't read how this one state solution would ever, practically speaking, come to fruition?? And again, when one suggests that the Palestinians merge their areas into Jordan it's deemed racist and illogical. After all, what about Palestinian national aspirations! But somehow, a one state solution in the context of Israel is desirable?? Can someone please explain this seemingly egregious example of hypocracy? Also, does any one have rebuttals to the following problems that a 1 state solution would inevitably bring? See below:
" What matters is that for whatever reasons, deep divides exist between the majority of Israelis and the majority of Palestinians. In contrast to the divides of S. Africa, the "ethnic" divides in the middle east run across class, cultural, historical, religious, political, and ideological lines. It cuts deep. Way deep. For crying out loud, Israeli's and Palestinians have varying interpertations of historical events that occurred just 60 years ago.
There is no common narrative with which to unite the 2 under the umbrella of a single unified country. There is no common religion and the list goes on and on. Add to the mix all the bad blood that exists between the two sides, and stir that with a healthy dose of religious extremism in which much of that blood is rooted, and you're left with a powder keg situation that leaves all attempts to compare a unified south africa to a one state solution in the middle east high and dry.
I'm still waiting to read how a one state solution would ever work between Israeli's and Palestinians given the extreme divides that are so numerous that they dwarf any divides that ever existed in South Africa."
QuiQui said:
"Joe's asking questions. He wants to know, and doesn't pretend to know everything like so many others who visit this site. These musings can sound frustrating you're so close to the topic and so much of the answers are obvious. But dialogue with others is key, so I feel that these types of questions need to be answered -- and perhaps in a polite, more controlled manner, no?"
quiqui, thank you for pointing this out.
nadeem, i like what you post on kabobfest. you are good at the biting sarcasm with adolescent humor added in. that is why i don't get why i've seen a trend with you not getting tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic posts in the comments area. are you hypersensitive to sensitive questions being asked sarcastically by non-palestinians that you would otherwise accept from a palestinian? i hope not. that does not bode well for solidarity work. there is a gentle way to tell an outsider that the joke wasn't delivered well without assuming he doesn't understand the basics of the struggle. i don't mean to single you out. other commenters have reacted similarly. there is a human rights cause out there for which each one of us would be an outsider. it might help us to spend more time doing non-palestinian solidarity activism and be grateful for people who are patient with our learning curves and awkward attempts at humor. :)
love you all, love the blog, thanks for the great dialogue!
Yes QuiQui, states are bad. In fact I think the US should unite with Mexico and all Latin America into oe big happy state.
You have just shown your antisemitisim. It is ok for Americans to be a distinct state from Mexico, even though the US stole huge amount of land from Mexico, but it is not ok for the Jews to have a separate country than the Palestinians.
Maybe I am wrong, do you support uniting the US with Mexico?
Anon 9:58 am,
Great, at least you admit that the Palestinians did have their land stolen. Keep going.
Not only do I not support the idea and practice of a Jewish state, I do not support the idea and practice of a Muslim state, a Christian state, a Buddhist state, a white state, a black state, a purple state, or other forms of the nation-state.
Is your head about to explode? Or shall I continue?
Please, point to me where I've ever said that it "is ok for Americans to be a distinct state from Mexico, even though the US stole huge amount of land from Mexico."
Please do not make assumptions to fit your argument as you wish. If this is to be your discursive technique, do not expect any replies as you insult my and our readers' intelligence.
Quiqui,
Don't fall into that dipshit's trap. Zionuts love to change the focus and put the burden on the one criticizing Israel's racist and genocidal policies to defend why they are not anti-semetic.
Anonymous 8:33,
I don't think it's a matter of "hyper-sensitivity" - I'm as calm and relaxed as a pot head.
I don't think it's a matter of inexperience with solidarity work either - I've done, and continue to do, plenty of it.
I think it's partially a matter of delivery. Most, I think, will agree that sarcasm is all about presentation. Which, I admit, is hard enough to do in person - let alone in the form of text. Clearly, I'm no pro at it - as my posts tend to either go over really well or bomb altogether (no pun intended).
What I do-do (haha, I said do-do), and I think this is what you're referring to as "not getting tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic posts," is try to punch holes in every argument I come across. I dunno - maybe it's the aspiring lawyer in me (I'm not a law student). Although I usually do such hole-punching in my mind, I do sometimes let it out in order to spark conversation on a subject that I find extremely interesting (or absurd).
I admit - when doing so, I tend to be extremely blunt in my comments. That's just my nature (I rarely filter what I think and what I say). And although it could be read as being aggressive, defensive, or "hyper sensitivity" - it's really just me asking you to defend what you wrote… nothing more / nothing less.
I do call people (friends and enemies alike) out on what they say/write - which I don't perceive as a negative thing. Do I need a little help with netiquette? Eh, perhaps. Is it really that big of a deal though?
We don't all have the same opinions - in fact, KABOBheads often disagree on a wide-range of issues. That's life. It doesn't, however, affect my opinion of people's character (assuming I know who they are).
And - if I don't personally know someone... tuz.
Thanks for caring enough to read what I write - I do appreciate it.
Haha. I'm not fond of Israelis and the psychological impediment that they have where they cannot be safe from humanity unless they have a Jewish state. This is just post-Holocaust collective trauma. I think it's regressive and negative to think that the whole world is out to destroy you-- only the Palestinians are. Duh. But, don't worry, we'll do it nicely... we'll procreate. For every Douchowitz, we'll have 20 Mehdis. Eat our kanifeh, suckas!
nadeem said:
"Do I need a little help with netiquette? Eh, perhaps. Is it really that big of a deal though?"
i'm gonna say, depends on who you are talking to. i get you on punching holes in arguments. we all do it. but how hard we punch or if we decide to hold one depends on the target. is the target someone who is clearly a sympathizer to the cause? would you treat that person the same as a zionist? is it that big of a deal? yes. because not differentiating alienates allies. i think it was clear joe kitano is a sympathizer. you can call someone on a (perceived) mistake without punching a hole.
maybe i'm giving you a hard time about this because i used to do what you do a lot more often. then i realized it doesn't really help build coaltions and recruit people. maybe i see little of my younger self in you. wow, i sound like an old man saying that!
I disagree. The same way we punch holes in the arguments of enemies - we should with friends (and "sympathizers"). I don't care what someone's opinion is - so long as he/she is able to logically (and morally) defend it. If he/she can - good, I'll learn something. If he/she can't - I'll go for the kill and he/she will hopefully learn something instead. Ultimately, debate is a learning experience.
Unless of course, you are saying that I'm being rude to sympathizers. If that's the case, I again disagree. Although I didn't agree with the opinion (sarcastic or not) of the author, I didn't attack him on a personal level. The most I said is that he has no understanding of the real issue at hand - which he clearly admitted at the start.
On a related note, I don't write for KABOBfest in order to "help build coaltions and recruit people." Maybe others do. That, however, isn't my goal… sorry.
nadeem, you are proving my point. there is no non-condescending way to say this, but it is meant in a caring way: you are still young. it is evident in your writing (just as it is evident that you are smart). debate is one way of learning. not the best, and not always the most appropriate. often, nobody learns because no one is listening through their own memorized bullet points or through the hurt feelings of an elegantly delivered blow. good for one's ego, not always good for the cause. as you get older, you'll figure this out.
Well then - to each his own. You can blame it on immaturity, and I'll take that as a well-intentioned, albeit erroneous, interpretation of someone you don't know... or do know. Nevertheless, I take in stride. :)
Haha... thanks for the talk grandpa. Now get off the computer, it's time to change your Depends.
Not only do I not support the idea and practice of a Jewish state, I do not support the idea and practice of a Muslim state, a Christian state, a Buddhist state, a white state, a black state, a purple state, or other forms of the nation-state.
is your head about to explode? Or shall I continue?
I can't speak for the person you were addressing, but mine isn't.
Having said that, I notice you completely left out "Arab state from your list" - although you might say that it falls into your "other forms of nation-state" category, it was, how they say, certainly conspicuous by its absence in your list.
But this is good news.
Looking forward to you writing 22 times as many posts railing against the concept of Arab states as you do against the one Jewish state, since that's how many more Arab states there are than Jewish ones.
That will certainly change the nature of this website, and you do have a lot of work ahead of you though, QuiQui.
But if you want your comment to even have a shred of meaning, instead of just added to the mounds of hypocrisy spewed by the others here, you'll have to get cracking.
I'm sure you'll do just fine at it though.
Good luck.
Anon 4:30 pm,
Are 50% of the people controlled by Israel allowed to participate in the politics of Israel? Are 50% of the people controlled by Israel, denied citizenship by Israel?
Yasser,
Care to address the topic at hand?
I will address your question after you comment on what I posted, rather than asking me something off-topic.
It was Ms. QuiQui stating:
Not only do I not support the idea and practice of a Jewish state, I do not support the idea and practice of a Muslim state, a Christian state, a Buddhist state, a white state, a black state, a purple state, or other forms of the nation-state.
But not mention the "other form of the nation-state" called an Arab state, and whether or not she will stand by her statement and start posting about such a travesty.
She has 22 states to address - just to make this post an honest, non-hypocritical one.
Care to address that? Or would you rather ask me my favorite color?
I'm more than happy to answer your question after you give your perspective on the concept of nationalism generally, and the Middle East specifically.
By the way QuiQui, just to get you started, why not go alphabetically and begin with Algeria, and tell us why it's bad that its constitution talks about its identity in both religious and ethnic terms.
Then you can move on to the smallest Arab country, Bahrain, and talk about the its 1970 referendum on its Arab identity and a few other things like its anti-Jewish pogroms in 1947 - and then you'll just have 20 left.
Easy stuff.
Looking forward to it.
I completely agree with Joe. we need to outnumber them with babies. I have three children. I did my part. Let's see what the rest of you have to offer. As a 100 percent Palestinian woman, I can tell you that the reason Palestinian men get their panties in a bunch when they hear non-Palestinian men commenting on THEIR women and THEIR sex,is that they are possessive of their women. I don't care how liberal an Arab man is, he will always feel this way even if he doesn't admit it.
Israel controls millions of people and doesn't give them equal rights or citizenship.
Israle steals their land. Israel is considered to have a "special relationship" with the U.S., thus recieiving un challenged aid and support. Israel claims it's a democracy.
Israel murders innocent civilians to further it's goal of having a state that excludes the indiginious people of Palestine, because they are not Jewish.
So I guess you're not at all interested in addressing the topic at hand, Yasser.
Very surprising.
Oh well.
Nor is it surprising that QuiQui has failed to show up and/or start talking about the pitfalls of nationalism in an equitable way.
C'est la vie.
Topic hand? Trick please. The topic at hand is the fact that Israel steals Palestinian land. Israel kills innocent Palestinians to further it's goal of having a racist state. 50% of the people Israel controls are not given equal rights under the law.
Take your obfusicating ass somewhere else.
Yasser,
Pathetic.
QuiQui posts her "thoughts" on nationalism. I respond with a post on, well, nationalism.
You ask me a question on another topic and refuse to address the topic of the post, and claim you know what the topic at hand is - despite the fact that it's not what this post is about.
And then you try to stifle speech.
And if you're going to try to use big words, you should use a dictionary first.
See, you obfusicate, again. "use a dictionary first..."
So now the issue is my spelling? You zionuts crack me up.
do you deny that Israel steals Palestinian land? Stole Palestinian land? Controls millions of Palestinians yet denies them equal rights? Do you deny that Israel has seperate roads and license plates? yellow license plates for jews and blue ones for Muslims and Chritians?
Or will you reply that I included an incomplete sentence?
See, you obfusicate, again. "use a dictionary first..."
Irony alert.
So now the issue is my spelling?
No, and read this slowly.
The issue is nationalism.
Did you get that?
Or should I do it again?
You zionuts crack me up.
Really? I thought you told me to leave. What's the matter, you don't like laughing?
I will answer all your questions, as I said before, if you - again, I'll do this slowly - discuss the topic at hand.
Or will you reply that I included an incomplete sentence?
I will reply that so far you've proven incapable of dealing with the reality and I don't feel the need to pass your test, when the topic of the thread is nationalism and why it is a bad, bad thing.
Now, do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing? And if so, why?
Because QuiQui here seems to want to abolish the notion of an Arab state. All 22 of them.
What say you, Yasser? I mean, on something other than Israel? Are you capable?
The topic of the post, is some theory about how Palestinians can end the tyranny and oppression they have suffered for over 60 years by having more babies.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Myself and others have disagreed with this theory on how to end Israeli tyranny and oppression. But I'm glad that you agree there is Israeli oppression and tyranny and simply demand that people point out other tyranny and oppression that exists in the world.
It's a good start - considering most Zionuts, like other deniers, simply deny the Nakba and continuing tyranny and oppression Israel imposes upon Palestinians.
The best part, so far, I guess, is the fact that you won't address the topic of the post while, at the same time, accusing someone else of "obfusicating."
Consider the "cracking up" mutual, because you are unintentional comedy gold, Yasser, and don't let anyone tell you any different!
The topic of the post, is some theory about how Palestinians can end the tyranny and oppression they have suffered for over 60 years by having more babies.
It's one part of it - but still, that has nothing to do with the questions you asked me. I don't care one way or the other how many babies Palestinians or anyone else has. If people want more babies, let them have them, if they don't, fine.
But QuiQui also stated that she thinks that nationalism is bad, because she thinks like an American - whatever that means.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Clearly.
Ok, but since you'll never come around to seeing this, I will address this specific comment of yours - I will reserve addressing your other questions until you get back on topic.
But as for this:
Myself and others have disagreed with this theory on how to end Israeli tyranny and oppression.
What theory do you think is best?
But I'm glad that you agree there is Israeli oppression and tyranny
I think there is Israeli oppression and tyranny, and there is Palestinian oppression and tyranny and there is Burmese oppression and tyranny and many other manners and forms of it.
and simply demand that people point out other tyranny and oppression that exists in the world.
I don't demand it. I want to know how far QuiQui's anti-nationalist feelings actually extend and if she's being honest or not.
It's a good start - considering most Zionuts, like other deniers, simply deny the Nakba and continuing tyranny and oppression Israel imposes upon Palestinians.
I think you're far closer to the mindset of you're imagined enemy that you realize.
Mirror image.
Qui Qui: you say you learned what you know of the mid-east conflict, at least initially, from watching CNN. It shows. So while you continue to tout your opinion on a 1 state solution (an unprecedented move mind you), you conveniently forget to actually detail how and why such a state would function and work. In doing so, you come across as an intellectual lightweight with nothing substantial to add to a serious dialogue.
And again, if one suggests that the Palestinians simply merge into Jordan, one is deemed to be insensitive at best, and a racist at worst. After all, what about Palestinian national aspirations! Yet for some reason, a one state solution with hated zionuts is somehow desireable? An interesting contrast. A one state solution between Israel and Palestine would be an unprecedented event in world history, and if one expects such an idea to be taken seriously then one needs to have CONCRETE and DETAILED explanations as to why such a solution is not just ideal, but practical,workable, realistic and dare i say, even desireable.
On a sidenote: If I were a Palestinian activist, I would be hesitant to align myself with socialist/anarchistic lefties who despite their zeal in fighting for what they deem to be justice, often have no understanding of the complexities surrounding the very causes they are rallying for.
This is not a solution Israel would go for as long as it wants to continue being a Jewish state
Also, Palestinians pretty much insist on an Islamist state.
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