So what? 99% of Afrikaners wanted a white supremacist state. That didn’t make them morally right or legally entitled to it. 99% of the Jews in Israel are from families that have been on that land for less than a hundred years. In a cvilized world they wouldn’t get to move in, throw others whose families have been there for a thousand years out, and dictate what kind of government those remaining have to live under…

That’s called colonialism. It’s bad.

“99% of the Jews in Israel want a Jewish state. You do not respect that.”

No, I don’t respect that, nor does anyone who believes in democracy. Considering that Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived there before the creation of the Jewish state, Israel had not right to impose a Jewish state on non-Jews, who were the majority. Had there been a Jewish state and then Muslims and Christians immigrated there, then you have the right to keep the state Jewish. Otherwise, what 99% of Israelis want is religious discrimination.

“The Israeli ‘massacres’ were in the context of the 1948 war. They are not at all like the 1929 massacre….”

It’s ironic how you put the word massacre under quotations when it refers to Israel, considering that , contrary to your belief, that they are the same as the 1929 massacre. Whether in the context of the 1948 war or not, what happened is the Israeli terrorist gangs raided villages and killed unarmed civilians. How is that different from 1929?

Anyway, you don’t have to elaborate more. It is clear that you’re an advocate of fighting and not peace. Have a good life fighting.

Since you will not stop fighting until you are dead and I will not stop fighting till I am dead it is by definition a fight to the death. Either of the nations involved or the people in the nations. What other possibility is there? If you agree to a Jewish state I have no problem with a Palestinian state but that is not in the cards so we have to fight.

The Israeli “massacres” were in the context of the 1948 war. They are not at all like the 1929 massacre in which Palestinians decided to murder the Jews who had lived in Hebron for hundreds of years as their peaceful neighbors. And yes the one state solution died in Hebron because until that time much of the Jewish left (the majority of Jews in Palestine) was for a one state solution (they viewed the world as a class struggle and not as a Jews-Arab struggle.) The massacre, and the non-chalant way in which it was justified by the Palestinians closed the book on that stupid idea. And it was the first major act of violence in the Arab-Israeli conflict. There were some rioting by Arabs in which Jews died, but this was the first systematic large act of Jew-Arab violence and it taught Jews that they better arm quickly.

Talk about “simplistic.” You use one incident to justify why Israel shouldn’t trust the Palestinians and pursue a one-state solution. Before I go further, let me state that whether 67 Jews or one Jew were killed on that day in 1929, it’s all the same: tragic. No one should have died. The reality is that such conflicts have always existed and will always exist every where you go. They cannot be justified, but you have to put the past behind you and move on. Israel’s Haganah/IDF, Irgun and the Stern Gang (the poster boys of terrorism and blowing-shit-up) committed a long list of massacres against the Palestinians, from Deir Yassin (April 9th, 1948, over 250 killed), to Acre (May 18, 1948, over 100 killed), to Al-Tantura (May 22nd 1948, over 200 killed), to Qibya (October 14th 1953, over 70 villagers killed by a unit led by the now infamous Ariel Sharon), to Sabra and Shatila (Sept 16th 1982; again Sharon allowing Phalangist militia to massacre 150 Palestinians), to Qana (April 18th 1996, over 100 civilians killed), and the list goes on. Despite all that, the Palestinians demand an end to the occupation and the creation of a one state for all regardless of religion. But again, your comments about 1929 and “abolishment of the Jewish State” prove my point, that Israel and pro-Jewish-State-only use this kind of propaganda to perpetuate the status of occupation-and-revolt (cause-and-effect) in order to keep the State exclusively “Jewish.” End or story.

P.S. And when I read your comment I become convinced that you want the abolishment of the Palestinian people….”fight to the death… so be it.” Right?

Since Israel is doing much better with its Arabs than Hamas or Fatah you should be very pleased.

All I have to say to your simplistic analysis is Hebron 1929. That is when the one state solution died and it will only come back over our dead bodies. In Belgium the Wallons and Flemish can’t live together. There are tons of examples all showing that a two nation country does not work.

When I read this blog I become convince that Israel is doing the right thing in Gaza. You are stubborn and will accept only the abolishment of the Jewish state. This makes it a fight to the death between the Jewish nation and the Palestinian nation. So be it.

All I have to say to your simplistic analysis is Hebron 1929. That is when the one state solution died and it will only come back over our dead bodies. In Belgium the Wallons and Flemish can’t live together. There are tons of examples all showing that a two nation country does not work.

When I read this blog I become convince that Israel is doing the right thing in Gaza. You are stubborn and will accept only the abolishment of the Jewish state. This makes it a fight to the death between the Jewish nation and the Palestinian nation. So be it.

If you live your life as a second-class citizen, you wouldn’t ask anyone to “shut up.” But what do you know?

Victor,

I agree with you on one thing, it’s pointless to keep arguing the same thing over and over. The way you see it is that Palestinians are a bunch of hostile terrorists that want to whip the “Jewish State” off the face of Earth. The way I see it is that the “Jewish State” was established at the expense Palestinians and their land. End the occupation, hold elections, and let the Palestinians live on the land as freely as Israelis do, and you’ll see all hostilities go away. However, you and I know that Israel would never let that happen because then the demographics will result in Christians, Jews, and Muslims having a voice in the country, and that won’t make it a “Jewish” state any longer. Instead, keep the Palestinians in a living hell, let them fight against the oppression (which is a normal reaction of any human being), then play your “oh look those terrorists want to kill us” card, and keep your “Jewish State.”

The solution is simple, but the situation is kept like that for a reason. So the arguments and counter-arguments over this issue will stick around for quite some time.