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The Logic of Liking Stuff White People Like

The hottest new site on the internet since two girls and a cup — which starred Budatti’s Mom — is a list of stereotypically white objects of affection.

Since this e-mails lauding this site began landing in my Inbox with more frequency than uninvited cialis ads, I took time to analyze it myself in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way.

However, the website has caused a major existential identity crisis among the lighter shaded Arab-Americans, especially. One of our bloggers wrote on our list serve:

Everything on this site applies to me. I love music that you can’t dance too and it’s all about death and senseless crap. I guess rightfully so too — as I’ve never identified as anything other than white and Palestinian. To me, they’re not mutually exclusive… cause i’m definitely not brown.

However, for those straddling the white/non-white delineation whose comfortable ambiguity has been shaken by seeing stuff they like on this list, I want to remind them of the basic logic of their fears. To assume that liking what is listed on the blog is to commit a classic logical fallacy: Affirmation of the consequent.

This fallacy is an argument of the form “A implies B, B is true, therefore A is true.”

So, the website argues:

If White –> Like X

However, Like X does not necessarily –> White. To assume it does is to commit this logical fallacy.

So there, go ahead and enjoy the wonders of natural medicine, expensive sandwiches, and knowing what’s best for poor people. It doesn’t make you white.

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25 Responses to “The Logic of Liking Stuff White People Like”

  1. I’m highly amused at how much controversy this blog is generating but anyways, I suspect that the author’s intent is self deprecatory.

    It’s not really about “whites” so much as a certain type of college kid/yuppie hipster. Yes there are lots of nonwhite people that like Sushi a lot, or travelling, or “indie culture”, insert the other items on the list. I think what’s being poked fun at on the site, is not the mere liking of these things but the culture in which upper class kids kind of obsesses over them in a very self congratulatory and elitist way-not just for merely liking them a lot.

    Posted by nadia | February 23, 2008, 11:01 am
  2. god, will, that was a really white analysis of the white people blog! :-P

    actually, the best comment on that blog so far has been: “I feel quite strongly that the next item should be, “This Blog”. White people love this blog. It gives them a chance to be all reflexive, but also laugh at other white people. White people, after all, like being unlike other white people.”

    Posted by Ellen | February 23, 2008, 3:14 pm
  3. (huge sigh of relief)

    Posted by Fatemeh | February 23, 2008, 7:34 pm
  4. when i was 13 or 14 my dad inrolled me in a “hawza” (a muslim theology program for aspiring imams) the first of its kind in dearborn at the time; my classmates were a bunch of (much) older guys. one of the classes was logic. i remember two of the examples given in the class about falacy in argument:
    1) every laban in white, but not every white is laban.
    2) every crow is black, but not every black is a crow.

    Posted by Ibn Bint Jbeil | February 24, 2008, 12:02 pm
  5. oh, the horror of being white! heaven forbid, right? get over yourselves.

    Posted by dj-jas | February 24, 2008, 2:34 pm
  6. I think it’s the funniest blog ever.

    I laugh out loud, but then, it starts making me feel bad. First of all, so much of it applies to me that I start to get all defensive, and second of all, I’m not wealthy enough for most of it to apply to me, so then I start resenting people who got to take trips to Europe and Japan, and who graduated from college and were never a single mother on welfare.

    But then I remember that having been poor makes me more authentic than those rich, white, yuppies, and I start feeling superior again.

    And then it’s all good.

    So, I think as long as a lot of it doesn’t apply to you, you can still comfortably feel superior and laugh at the same time. It’s win-win.

    Posted by safiyyah | February 24, 2008, 6:45 pm
  7. But then I remember that having been poor makes me more authentic than those rich, white, yuppies, and I start feeling superior again.

    So, being white trash makes you “superior” now, is it? :O

    Sorry, Safiyyah, but you didn’t stop being white when you converted to Islam. It doesn’t work that way. No matter how much you might wish that it did.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 25, 2008, 1:30 am
  8. I think, here in the West, when someone says “white” they are talking about more than colour.

    “White” generally means people with ancestors from Europe. I know there are a lot of Middle Easterners who are white in colour but are not of European background. This is what they are talking about, more than skin colour.

    A Palestinian with red hair, blue eyes and white skin living in the Gaza Strip has little or nothing to do with an American with red hair, blue eyes and white skin whose ancestors came from Glasgow Scotland.

    When people use this term in the USA they mean people from Europe, not everyone from every culture who might happen to have very light skin.

    Posted by أبو سنان | February 25, 2008, 8:43 am
  9. :D

    Yeah, that’s what I was saying.

    Posted by Safiyyah | February 25, 2008, 10:07 am
  10. By the way, I’ve actually never been on welfare. That was for you Craig. I love messing wit’ ya!

    It’s pretty fun knowing that I can make you think whatever I want you to think, and you’re such a bastard that you’ll just eat it up. Your mind is a like a toy with light-up buttons.

    Posted by Safiyyah | February 25, 2008, 10:34 am
  11. Craig is just a nutter who enjoys going to places that have people he doesnt like.

    Too bad we cannot do what his Chinese wife did and leave him behind!

    Posted by أبو سنان | February 25, 2008, 12:28 pm
  12. Too bad we cannot do what his Chinese wife did and leave him behind!

    What do you know about my ex-wife, Abu Sinan? Seriously? You think making up stories about people wives or ex-wives is funny? Is that what a good Muslim does? I’ll see what kind of rumors I can start about your Saudi wife’s *!#$ sucking skills. Shouldn’t be too hard. Fun and games for the whole family, right?

    By the way, I’ve actually never been on welfare. That was for you Craig. I love messing wit’ ya!

    Right, Safiyyah. Even though this post was a day old and I wasn’t commenting in it, when you posted that.

    Don’t worry. Abu Sinan is “former” white trash too. He’s actually quite proud of it. At this rate, all the truly low quality white people in the US will be Muslims in no time :)

    Now if we can just get ya’ll to move to the middle-east…

    Posted by programmer craig | February 25, 2008, 1:18 pm
  13. Craig is just a nutter who enjoys going to places that have people he doesnt like.

    A white guy who converted to Islam and live in AMERICA says this to me? :O

    Dude… you are the most loathed demographic in the United States, in case you didn’t notice. I bet you get a kick out of that too, don’t you? You’re just one of those people who loves to be hated.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 25, 2008, 1:25 pm
  14. Abu Sinan, didn’t you tell stories before about how difficult it was for your wife to get permission to marry a white guy? How many guys at the Saudi embassy do you figure she had to service? I assume she didn’t share that with you, but… best guess?

    Posted by programmer craig | February 25, 2008, 1:47 pm
  15. Yeah, for reals. I am total white trash. You should ask the 500 people who graduated with me (especially ask the wealthy kids) how they liked having a white trash loser like me as their valedictorian. Or maybe you should tell the people who write college entrance exams that they really screwed when this white trash retard got a nearly perfect score. People who are poor are probably worthless, though… I guess you ARE right about that…

    And then maybe you can explain to us how really classy folks such yourself enjoy making disgusting jokes about pure women because you can’t stand us commiserating with each other about how annoying it is to have a violently hateful, small-minded punk like you constantly attacking us.

    Because you are DEFINITELY a much better man than anyone who could be defined by the disgustingly rude and boorish epithet of “white trash.”

    Posted by Safiyyah | February 25, 2008, 8:59 pm
  16. Safiyyah, don’t play that “victim” shit on me. I thought we already went through this. People don’t treat you bad because you are a Muslim, or because you are a woman… they treat you bad because you are a jerk.

    Love the way you are a regular on Kabobfest, which is a hate site, and call me a “hateful” individual, too, my dear.

    You aren’t fooling anyone.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 25, 2008, 10:08 pm
  17. I don’t see how defending myself against your viciousness means I’m playing a “victim.” I never said people treat me badly. People don’t treat me badly. People are usually pretty nice to me. Especially people who know me. You are not “people.” You are one, insane, lonely individual. You would like to think that you are normal, and that all people are like you, but they’re not. Hate to let you in on it, but I’m sure you’ve heard it before.

    Eew, sick. Don’t call me your dear. I know you must be desperate since you can’t keep a girl, but that doesn’t permit you to reduce me to my gender.

    Posted by Safiyyah | February 25, 2008, 11:11 pm
  18. Craig, The very fact that you said it means it is untrue! You have the credibility of a turd on this blog or any other. As to your wife leaving you, I guess you forgot that YOU said it. But then again you spread so much crap on so many different blogs I am sure you forget half of what you say. I still remember you crying at Farah's blog, threatening to stop blogging on her site because you were SO stupid you thought I was Saudi. LOL!

    Posted by أبو سنان | February 26, 2008, 1:54 am
  19. Safiyyah,

    I don’t see how defending myself against your viciousness means I’m playing a “victim.”

    It’s not “viciousness” on my part to point out that you in fact appear to actually BE what you long ago accused me of being – a redneck trailer trash racist. And, poor baby, nobody made you come on this blog and start making unprovoked personal attacks on people. Yes, when you whine and cry that people attack you back after you unload on them, you are playing the victim. And doing a bad job of it.

    Abu Sinan,

    The very fact that you said it means it is untrue! You have the credibility of a turd on this blog or any other.

    No, the very fact that you yourself said there are only 7(?) Saudi Women married to American whiteboys means it most likely IS true. If you haven’t figured that part out for yourself yet, then that’s on you :P

    As to your wife leaving you, I guess you forgot that YOU said it.

    On the contrary, I never said any such thing. All I’ve ever said on the blogs about my ex-wife is that she’s Chinese and that we’re divorced. Show me where I said something different, mister credibilty?

    I still remember you crying at Farah’s blog, threatening to stop blogging on her site because you were SO stupid you thought I was Saudi.

    No, I *did* stop commenting on her blog, because you were being a bigot and an abusive prick and she and others of here readership were defending you. You singlehandedly destroyed her blog, Abu Sinan. You changed it from a fun and lighthearted blog to a hate site. And now it’s gone.

    Luckily, Kabobfest is already a hate site, so stick around buddy. This place is prefect for you.

    PS-Safiyyah, as to your claims Abu Sinan’s wife is a “pure” woman: Abu Sinan is a worthless no good two faced son of a bitch, and no woman who would stoop so low as to marry him could ever be considered “pure” in my view. Except may “pure evil”.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 26, 2008, 2:57 pm
  20. By the way, you see how the lovely Safiyyah wasted no time in repeating the rumor that you started, Abu Sinan? What great Muslims the two of you are, eh? :D

    You know, in Christianity (the faith that the two of you left) that’s considered to be really, really uncool. Good thing it seems to be perfectly find in Islam, I guess? Or do the two of you make the same bad job of being Muslims that you did of being Christians? Why not just choose atheism? Then there aren’t any standards to try to live up to.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 26, 2008, 3:05 pm
  21. I love how you think you know everything about me, Craig. Keep going. I was Christian, and…? Go on. I love it when other people tell me my life story. This ought to be interesting.

    So I was born as Christian redneck trailer trash in….? What state would you say? Let’s call it Stories With Craig.

    My grandfather, who was a Phd, would probably have loved to hear this story.

    Keep going. Don’t stop now.

    Posted by Safiyyah | February 26, 2008, 10:41 pm
  22. My grandfather, who was a Phd, would probably have loved to hear this story.

    You know, if you had higher self-esteem and weren’t so convinced yourself that you are trailer trash, you wouldn’t be pointing out with such pride that your dead grandfather had a PhD. They aren’t that rare, you know. Well, maybe they are… in YOUR family. But that’s exactly the point, isn’t it?

    I didn’t mention the claims you made about being a valedictorian and doing so well on the SAT and all that other nonsense. I may not know your name, Safiyyah, but I do know “who” you are. And no, I don’t actually find people like you very interesting. You converted to Islam just so you could feel special, didn’t you? Just to differentiate yourself from all the other mediocre white kids.

    Posted by programmer craig | February 26, 2008, 11:12 pm
  23. Wow, I just have to sit here and laugh at you Craig.

    You are really, really sick in the head. I hope you get help before you do yourself, or someone else, some great harm

    Posted by أبو سنان | February 27, 2008, 7:12 am
  24. Yes, I get defensive when you attack me and act like you know everything about me. I’m so sorry to you for that. Please accept my apologies, Craig, for bothering you with my defensiveness. I truly apologize for any distress and pain it has caused you.

    IF you are not interested in me or who I am, then leave me alone. Get it? LEAVE ME ALONE. You come around here, attack us all. We respond quite naturally by pointing out your own weakness and flaws. Now you have attached yourself to me, constantly attacking me, and then claim you don’t care at all. WHICH is it?

    So, YOU can go on protesting about how much you don’t care, while you attack me over and over again. What moral code do YOU have there, Sparky? Is it the Unitarian Asshole Church of America, or what?

    NOTE: No offensive intended to Unitarians, America, Churches, or even assholes, except one.

    Posted by safiyyah | February 27, 2008, 1:03 pm

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