A new survey by Zoghby International of 15,000 US citizens and 1,000 respondents from Bethlehem, Americans have once again proven the quality of geography education in the States.
Most Americans placed Bethlehem in Israel, when it is actually under occupation in the West Bank, and cut off from Jerusalem by the Wall.
Bethlehem, a town that has probably the oldest Christian presence in the world, is at risk of losing its Christian heritage as members of the community increasingly leave due to hardships posed by occupation and the construction of the Apartheid Wall.
The two surveys show that American perceptions of the town are wildly at odds with the perceptions of those who live there.While the Christians of Bethlehem overwhelmingly (78%) blame the exodus of Christians from the town on Israel’s blockade, Americans are more likely (45.9%) to blame it on Islamic politics and are reluctant (7.4%) to blame Israel.
And while four out of ten Americans believe that the wall exists for Israel’s security, more than nine out of ten Bethlehemites believe it is part of a plan by Israel to confiscate Palestinian land.
The Zogby survey shows strong support for the town in the US, where 65.5% of the population want the UN to list it as a world heritage site. Americans are also strongly in favour (80.6%) of Bethlehem retaining a strong Christian presence.
Americans are also ambivalent about the Israeli wall, with 31.5% in favour of it, with another 31.6% opposed.
But more than two-thirds of Americans believe Bethlehem is unsafe to visit, while 80% of Bethlehemites consider their town safe for visitors.
While the US survey showed that Americans are sceptical about Muslims and Christians living contentedly alongside each other – only 17% thought they lived together in peaceful coexistence – the Palestinian survey showed they do: around 90% of Christians said they had Muslim friends, and vice-versa.
The Israeli government could well be shaken by the discovery that Americans’ tolerance of the wall would be strained by the discovery that it separates communities and families, cuts Bethlehem off from Jerusalem, and requires the seizure of privately-owned land.
US Christians, meanwhile, are likely to be shocked by the discovery that seven out of ten Christians in Bethlehem believe Israel treats the town’s Christian heritage with brutality or indifference.
The Bethlehem poll, which was carried out by the Palestinian Centre for research and Cultural Dialogue, shows on the other hand that more than two-thirds (73.3%) of Bethlehem’s Christians believe that the Palestinian Authority treats Christian heritage with respect. That result will surprise some who believe that the election of Hamas has strained Christian-Muslim relations in the town.
Leila Sansour, Open Bethlehem’s Chief Executive, says:
“Our US poll shows overwhelming support for Bethlehem’s Christian heritage, yet our survey of Bethlehem’s own citizens shows the city cannot retain this heritage and its Christian community while the wall remains.
“The choice is stark. Either the wall stays and Bethlehem ceases to be a Christian town. Or Bethlehem retains its Christian population – in which case the wall has to come down. The international community needs to wake up to what is happening and choose.”
For the full results of the survey, click here.
Come to think of it, hey May… there could be a whole other aspect of the marriage prospect issue in this. Actually there is, not just could be. When I meet Christian young people in the West Bank, it’s not unusual for them to be like ooo do you have a brother? Or, do you want to meet my brother? I’ve been told that for Christian Palestinian women in the West Bank, they by far end up marrying someone with an education level that is far less than theirs, because the educated guys all left. The leftovers had to drop out of school and work. The point is that finding a mate is kind of an obsessive topic for Christian young people as their choices become increasingly constricted with the outmigration.
Related posts:
- Where’s Bethlehem?
- Christmas Under Occupation
- Merry Christmas, Bethlehem
- JESUS CHRIST! That’s a lot of hair…
- Jesus Hates Zionists
Zogby is the pollster who said that Kerry would beat Bush.
Very credible.
“I have made a career of taking bungee jumps in my election calls. Sometimes I haven’t had a helmet and I have gotten a little scratched. But here is my jump for 2004: John Kerry will win the election.”
Nice.
http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html
Posted by Anonymous | February 5, 2008, 1:24 pmHey moron (anon 1:24), do you understand the difference between an opinion put forth by an individual (such as Zogby’s prediction for an election) and a survey polling a specific number of people in a society?
Clearly you don’t. I wish there was a way to idiot-proof our comments sections.
Posted by Fadi | February 5, 2008, 1:52 pmhow many Palestinians polled in Bethleham thought that Bethleham is part of Israel?
Posted by Anonymous | February 5, 2008, 2:02 pmZERO. There’s no support for Israel among the Palestinian-Christian community you wise ass.
Posted by Shlomo the Homo | February 5, 2008, 2:24 pmShlomo,
ZERO. There’s no support for Israel among the Palestinian-Christian community you wise ass.
Which is why nobody cares what Palestinian Christians think about anything. They’re just as brainwashed as Muslim Palestinians.
Most Americans placed Bethlehem in Israel, when it is actually under occupation in the West Bank, and cut off from Jerusalem by the Wall.
It’s under occupation by Muslims. I think most Americans would prefer that it be under occupation by Jews. Why don’t we ask Zogby to do a poll on that question? Could it be because Arabs (including so-called Christians) don’t want to know the answer?
And, Emily, you surely are not suggesting that the Christians inhabiting Bethlehem NOW are the descendants of the original Nazarenes? I KNOW you aren’t claiming that… think of the ramifications behing such an assertion, before you make it.
Posted by programmer craig | February 5, 2008, 2:52 pmBethlehem, a town that has probably the oldest Christian presence in the world, is at risk of losing its Christian heritage
I think it lost its Christian Heritage a long time ago:
634: Battles of Basra, Damascus and Ajnadin. Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph. Battles of Namaraq and Saqatia.
635: Battle of Bridge. Battle of Buwaib. Conquest of Damascus. Battle of Fahl.
636: Battle of Yermuk. Battle of Qadsiyia. Conquest of Madain.
637: Conquest of Syria. Fall of Jerusalem. Battle of Jalula.
638: Conquest of Jazirah.
639: Conquest of Khuizistan. Advance into Egypt.
640: Capture of the post of Caesaria in Syria. Conquest of Shustar and Jande Sabur in Persia. Battle of Babylon in Egypt.
641: Battle of Nihawand. Conquest Of Alexandria in Egypt.
642: Battle of Rayy in Persia. Conquest of Egypt. Foundation of Fustat.
643: Conquest of Azarbaijan and Tabaristan (Russia).
644: Conquest of Fars, Kerman, Sistan, Mekran and Kharan.Martyrdom of Hadrat Umar. Hadrat Othman becomes the Caliph.
645: Campaigns in Fats.
646: Campaigns in Khurasan, Armeain and Asia Minor.
647: Campaigns in North Africa. Conquest of the island of Cypress.
648: Campaigns against the Byzantines.
Time to free the Holy Land from Muslims and fake Christians.
Posted by programmer craig | February 5, 2008, 3:00 pmWhat would Torquemada say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom%C3%A1s_de_Torquemada
Tomás de Torquemada (1420 – September 16, 1498) was a fifteenth century Spanish Dominican, first Inquisitor General of Spain, and confessor to Isabella of Spain. He was famously described by the Spanish chronicler Sebastián de Olmedo as “The hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the saviour of his country, the honour of his order”. He is known for his campaign of persecution against the crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims of Spain.
In 1492 he was one of the chief supporters of the Alhambra decree, which resulted in the mass expulsion of Jews from Spain. He and the Spanish Inquisition generally caused suffering by their use of torture, anonymous denunciation, and handing over of convicted heretics to the secular arm to be burned alive – execution by fire.
I think he’s say “Kill them all, and let God sort them out”. Wait… maybe he did say that?
Hmmmm…. nope:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
That was Papal legate Arnaud-Amaury, in regards to some Christian heretics in France. Oh well. Same thing. A heretic is a heretic.
Posted by programmer craig | February 5, 2008, 3:53 pmCraig, do I have it right that you are suggesting an ethnic cleansing?
Posted by Emily | February 6, 2008, 3:07 amFadi,
You’re the moron. Clearly.
His “opinion” was based on his polling. He is a pollster, after all.
Although, just a horrible one, as he got last night – especially California – completely wrong, just as he got ’04 completely wrong.
You shouldn’t worry about “idiot proofing” the comment section until you idiot proof yourself.
Good luck, Zogby thinks you can do it, though – whatever comfort that is.
Embarrassing.
Posted by Anonymous | February 6, 2008, 7:01 amHere’s another “opinion” by Zogby:
“Obama, Romney lead in California on Super Tuesday”
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN0345866120080205
Nice.
Fadi, aside from having zero class, your high level of anger leads you to making very foolish, unresearched, assertions.
No wonder no one takes you seriously.
Posted by Anonymous | February 6, 2008, 7:53 amAnon, get a brain. Polls are done using sample surveys. It’s not like Zogby is fiddling with the numbers to fit his tastes. Like I said, I wish we could idiot-proof the comments section.
Posted by Fadi | February 6, 2008, 9:07 amEmily,
Craig, do I have it right that you are suggesting an ethnic cleansing?
No, I’m pointing out that both Christians and Muslims have a LONG history of ethnic cleansing. Jews do not.
I see that you have noticed what Israel is doing is not actual ethnic cleansing. I’m glad you can see the difference. That was my hope. It’s shameful for people to imply what the Jews in Israel are doing now is similar to REAL ethnic cleansing in the past, when it’s clearly not.
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 10:48 amYou shouldn’t worry about “idiot proofing” the comment section until you idiot proof yourself.
Exactly! The only way they could “idiot proof” this blog is to delete it, since most of the bloggers here are afflicted with the condition.
Fadi, do you actual earn a living as a lawyer?
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 10:51 amTime to free the Holy Land from Muslims and fake Christians.
So, what exactly does this sentence mean to you?
Posted by Nadia | February 6, 2008, 11:46 amSo, what exactly does this sentence mean to you?
It means that land doesn’t belong to Muslims, and it never did. Muslims came as invaders. And occupiers.
That’s bad, right? Or is it only bad when Jews and Christians do it?
Muslims in the Jewish and Christian holy land should convert to Judaism or Christianity. Or they should leave. That’s the old way. We like the old way, don’t we?
Why is it you have a problem with me suggesting that Jews and Christians should do the same thing that Muslims do, Nadia? It seems to me that Muslims rely entirely too much on their enemies being more civilized than they are. To the point that the humane nature of Islam’s enemies is the best weapon Muslim’s have.
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 12:25 pmPC:
” I’m pointing out that both Christians and Muslims have a LONG history of ethnic cleansing. Jews do not.”
This statement is notoriously WRONG. And here’s why:
1- Muslems did not enter jerusalim by the force of arms – notice that your reference did not refer to it as a battle-. Khalifa Omar made an agreemennt with the Patriarch of jerusalim then. To ensure sound and secure Christian holy places run by the christians. And they still do so today . The only time that Chritian arabs were denied their holy places was during the Crusader’s rule of Palestine.
2- Contrary to Khalifa Omar treatment to the Christians of Palestine. Ferdinand and Isable persecuted the Muslem and Jews of the falling Andalus. Inspection courts to sentence the infedel to agonizing death. Compared to Jews freedom of worship in the Islamic Andalus.
3- Since the establishment of the illegitemate state of Israel in 1948. The Zionist entity have committed more massacares than any tyrant regime can boast about. But Sabra and Shatilla -amongst many others- don’t count as ethnic cleansing.
4- Israel’s force of arms is the only convincing justification to it’s existence. When this force is gone. Israel will no longer be.
Posted by b-cell | February 6, 2008, 12:31 pmMuslims in the Jewish and Christian holy land should convert to Judaism or Christianity. Or they should leave.
Thanks for clarifying.
Posted by nadia | February 6, 2008, 12:49 pmb-cell,
1- Muslems did not enter jerusalim by the force of arms – notice that your reference did not refer to it as a battle-
Nonsense. Fall of Jerusalem
Cities don’t “fall” by peaceful means.
Khalifa Omar made an agreemennt with the Patriarch of jerusalim then.
Yeah, I’d love to have been sitting in on those “negotiations”
2- Contrary to Khalifa Omar treatment to the Christians of Palestine. Ferdinand and Isable persecuted the Muslem and Jews of the falling Andalus. Inspection courts to sentence the infedel to agonizing death. Compared to Jews freedom of worship in the Islamic Andalus.
They did what they had to do to get their country back after more than *700 YEARS* of Arab Muslim occupation. And Spain is still Catholic, today. That land didn’t belong to Muslims, either.
BTW, the choice given to Muslims and Jews was “convert, leave or die”. The ones who didn’t convert or leave, died. Horribly. But they didn’t have to stay, and they didn’t have to persist in their religious beliefs. The word “crypto” in the section I quoted refers to people who pretended to convert to Christianity, but didn’t.
3- Since the establishment of the illegitemate state of Israel in 1948. The Zionist entity have committed more massacares than any tyrant regime can boast about. But Sabra and Shatilla -amongst many others- don’t count as ethnic cleansing.
That is sheer stupidity. If Egyptian Copts rebelled against Muslim rule, and lost, and then continued to wage guerilla war and terrorist attacks against their Muslim neighbors for decades, what would happen to them?
They’d either be killed or forcibly ejected, and you know it as well as I do. And that’s a case where the only difference is religion.
4- Israel’s force of arms is the only convincing justification to it’s existence. When this force is gone. Israel will no longer be.
Force of arms is a pretty good argument. If the Israelis chose to use your methods (ending the existence of their enemies – “Israel will no longer be”) there wouldn’t be any living Palestinians within Israel’s borders right now. Luckily for Palestinians, Israelis are better human beings than they are.
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 12:56 pmKhalifa Omar made an agreemennt with the Patriarch of jerusalim then. To ensure sound and secure Christian holy places run by the christians.
And then he immediately began building the Dome of the Rock. And WHERE did he build it?
The Dome of the Rock is located at the visual centre of an ancient man-made platform known as the Temple Mount. The platform, greatly enlarged under the rule of Herod the Great, was the former site of the Second Jewish Temple which was destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. In 637 AD Jerusalem was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate army during the Islamic invasion of the Byzantine Empire.
That’s called the “Temple of God” in Christian scripture. That’s the single most Holy site in Judaism, and it’s arguable the most Holy site in Christianity.
And they still do so today . The only time that Chritian arabs
Who are these Christian “Arabs” you speak of? There were none, in the 7th century.
were denied their holy places was during the Crusader’s rule of Palestine.
Perhaps they were as disreputable then as they are now?
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 1:11 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock
Forgot the link. Could the Arab invaders have done anything to demonstrate MORE contempt for Christians and Jews, than that?
Posted by programmer craig | February 6, 2008, 1:15 pmIt’s not like Zogby is fiddling with the numbers to fit his tastes.
And yet he’s consistently wrong.
Again, you’re hardly in a position to speak about someone’s level of intelligence.
Your first post on this thread demonstrates how removed from logic you are.
Do you really think his opinion was not based on his polling?
So, according to you (a man who apparently thinks of himself as intelligent) his polling showed a Bush victory, but he thought he’d go public with his opinion, which contravened his polling?
You don’t even understand what it means when a pollster says something about an election his company is polling.
Embarrassing. Tom Cruise jumping on the couch embarrassing. Unbelievable.
Posted by Anonymous | February 6, 2008, 7:05 pmPC,
Muslims did NOT shed one drop of blood taking over Jerusalem. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
The Dome of the Rock was not built during the reign of Caliph Omar. It was built 50 years later by the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan. As stated in the link you provided you idiot
Posted by b-cell | February 7, 2008, 5:55 am“The Dome of the Rock is located at the visual centre of an ancient man-made platform known as the Temple Mount. The platform, greatly enlarged under the rule of Herod the Great, was the former site of the Second Jewish Temple which was destroyed during the Roman Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD.”
If any of this is true then the Israelis would’ve found their alleged temple during the several excavations they’ve done underneath and around the Dome of the Rock and Al’Aqsa Mosque. All the losers have found was more Islamic ruins.
“Who are these Christian “Arabs” you speak of? There were none, in the 7th century.”
Whatever…
Posted by b-cell | February 7, 2008, 5:56 am“If Egyptian Copts rebelled against Muslim rule, and lost…”
The leading party of Egypt since 1951 is not Islamic in any sense of the word “Islamic”. The Egyptian political regime -also a good friend and ally of Israel and America- Has committed crimes against Muslims as well as Christians.
Posted by b-cell | February 7, 2008, 5:57 amI’ve came across so many Crack heads in my days. But how could this one know this little!
Posted by b-cell | February 7, 2008, 5:58 amAnd yes, When I said “Christians” I was talking about the Copts. But you probably don’t consider them as true Chrstians either.
Posted by b-cell | February 7, 2008, 6:52 amHow far would you take your idea Craig? Would you just want to convert the Palestinian territories? What about the areas bordering Israel?
Are there any other places you’d like to see this happen?
Posted by Nadia | February 7, 2008, 8:41 amWeren’t pagans and zoroastrians killed and converted by jews and christians?
What would jesus do?
Posted by Mr. Friendly | February 7, 2008, 10:52 amb-cell,
If any of this is true then the Israelis would’ve found their alleged temple during the several excavations they’ve done underneath and around the Dome of the Rock and Al’Aqsa Mosque. All the losers have found was more Islamic ruins.
Your ignorance is appalling. That wasn’t a statemenmt of tehory I quoted in Wikipedia. It was a statement of fact. It’s well known where the Second Temple of Solomon was located, and it’s well known that the Dome of the Rock was built on that location precise BECAUSE it was the location of the second temple. That is supposedly the place the Prophet ascended to Heaven from or some such bullshit. Ask a Muslim and they’ll tell you. It doesn’t actually say that in the Quran, but Muslims have always interpreted those verses in the Quran to be referring to the most important temple in Judaism.
How is it you don’t know any of this?
“Who are these Christian “Arabs” you speak of? There were none, in the 7th century.”
Whatever…
Well, what Christians were there in the 7th century who called themselves “Arabs”, then? There were Arab Jews on the Arabian Peninsula, but I’ve never once heard of an “Arab Christian” from those days. Certainly not in Palestine.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 12:03 pmNadia,
How far would you take your idea Craig?
First of all, it’s not my idea, nor is it my suggestion. But that ISN’T Muslim land. And the claims that it is are getting old. Muslims invaded and occupied by force.
Would you just want to convert the Palestinian territories? What about the areas bordering Israel?
No, just the Christian and Jewish Holy Land. That’s the only land Christians and Jews have a right to claim as exclusively theirs.
Same way Medina and Mecca work. You know how that is, right?
Are there any other places you’d like to see this happen?
The rest of the ME can go fuck itself as far as I’m concerned. If there were any Christian communities who wanted their land back, they should have done what the Spaniards did a long time ago. But they didn’t. So they sleep in a bed of their own making.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 12:09 pmb-cell,
And yes, When I said “Christians” I was talking about the Copts. But you probably don’t consider them as true Chrstians either.
No, that’s not true. I’ve known several dozen Egyptian Copts, some of them pretty well. I only know of one who is the same type of “Christian” that so many Palestinians seem to be. And she has a Palestinian Christian husband, so I’m not sure what that’s worth.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 12:15 pmFirst of all, it’s not my idea, nor is it my suggestion.
…
Time to free the Holy Land from Muslims and fake Christians.
I didn’t see any quotation marks around this sentence. How are you now suggesting it? Or are you backpeddling?
Posted by nadia | February 7, 2008, 12:28 pmHow are you *not* suggesting it. Not now.
Posted by nadia | February 7, 2008, 12:29 pmAll the losers have found was more Islamic ruins.
It’s funny that you make all these “challenges” for proof, and all you offer up for your side of the argument are obvious lies. You didn’t even read that article, did you?
The Dome of the Rock, (Arabic: مسجد قبة الصخرة, translit.: Masjid Qubbat As-Sakhrah, Hebrew: כיפת הסלע, translit.: Kipat Hasela, Turkish: Kubbetüs Sahra), is an Islamic shrine and a major landmark located on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It was completed in 691 making it the oldest extant Islamic building in the world.
Where would “more Islamic ruins” have come from, considering that was the first Islamic structure built in the Holy Land? Mind boggling. I suppose you think the “Temple Mount” was just a name given to a hill, and there was never any Temple there, eh? Again… mind boggling.
I don’t know what your religion is, but it seems like Christian, Jew or Muslim, you should know more than you do.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 12:36 pmHow are you *not* suggesting it.
You’ve never heard of sarcasm, Nadia? This is what Palestinian Muslims and their “Christian” allies want to do to Jews, because they believe Jews don’t belong there. In fact, it is Muslims who don’t belong there. And if Jews and Christians were like Muslims, there wouldn’t be any Muslims there. Period.
But, we aren’t. And that’s the point I was trying to make.
What would you do if we were? You’d do nothing but run, or die. Sometimes I say things just to shock. Sometimes, that helps people become self-aware. But, mostly it just pisses people off. I don’t really give a shit. I think a lot of Arabs don’t understand how shocking and savage their own opinions and behaviors seem to the outside world. God help you if anyone ever decides to fight fire with fire, because Arab Muslims aren’t in much position to defend themselves these days, and irrational pride and a bomb vest won’t get you far against an enemy who is willing to go the full distance to eliminate you.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 12:44 pmIn fact, it is Muslims who don’t belong there.
Is this a joke too? Self parody?
There’s a huge difference between saying a land does not “belong” to a certain religion and saying that no member of that religion can live there.
Posted by nadia | February 7, 2008, 2:22 pmIs this a joke too? Self parody?
No, that part wasn’t a joke. Muslims don’t belong there.
There’s a huge difference between saying a land does not “belong” to a certain religion and saying that no member of that religion can live there.
I agree. But Muslims have decided they are unwilling to share the Holy Land with it’s rightful owners. If they can’t share, they have to go. If they can share, perhaps they can stay.
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 3:10 pmAnd the truth comes out. Craig is both islamophobic AND xenophobic.
What ever happened to love thy neighbor craig? Is your own morality lost on you?
You consistently go to arab (both christian, muslim and atheist) and attempt to start trouble with blatantly offensive rhetoric. Why is it that you cannot be a good christian? Im pretty sure Jesus would not be speaking to his fellow man in such tones.
When you can admit to yourself that all muslims are not terrorists and simply want to live long healthy lives in peace then maybe you can work on becoming a better person. But as long as you continually degrade other people and other religions you will simply be another fundamentalist.
Posted by Mr. Friendly | February 7, 2008, 8:38 pmEdmund,
And the truth comes out. Craig is both islamophobic AND xenophobic.
Islam declared war on Christians. Not the other way around. The part where a Palestinian Arab accuses somebody else of xenophobia is cute, though
You consistently go to arab (both christian, muslim and atheist) and attempt to start trouble with blatantly offensive rhetoric.
Blatantly offensive rhetoric is what Kabobfest is all about, senor dickhead. Your first interaction ever with me, for instance, was a string of derogatory ethnic insults.
Why is it that you cannot be a good christian? Im pretty sure Jesus would not be speaking to his fellow man in such tones.
You know, that’s the whole problem with Palestinian Christians. They aren’t Christians. They are atheists. Like you. But they think they can use their “Christian” status as a weapon.
Be a Christian. Or be an atheist. It’s your life. Just stop pretending to be something you aren’t.
When you can admit to yourself that all muslims are not terrorists and simply want to live long healthy lives in peace then maybe you can work on becoming a better person.
When you stop supporting terrorism (YOU, EDMUND) I will stop hassling you. You don’t have any right to make generalizations on my behalf. You, Edmund, are a supporter of terrorism. Not “all Muslims”. You, buddy.
But as long as you continually degrade other people and other religions you will simply be another fundamentalist.
Blah blah blah. Cry me a river, you racist violent terrorist fuck. You think you can just do and say whatever the hell you want, and everyone should just hold your hand and sympathize with you? Your biggest problem is YOU. It’s not just me who hates your ass, man. The whole fucking world hates you. I mean sure, they go on TV and say “Oh, the poor little baby killing suicide bombing terrorists starving but not so much really Palestinians! We have to help them!”… but what do you think they say behind closed doors?
Posted by programmer craig | February 7, 2008, 11:35 pmPC, Just for clarity, when you yelled “YOU EDMUND”, were you holding your signature hatchet high above your head?
Posted by nev | February 8, 2008, 11:38 amPC, Just for clarity, when you yelled “YOU EDMUND”, were you holding your signature hatchet high above your head?
Do you think Edmund sits in front of his PC wearing a Kafiya and holding an AK-47?
Posted by programmer craig | February 8, 2008, 1:11 pmI petty the fool…
Posted by b-cell | February 8, 2008, 3:48 pmPC, The facts speak for them selves. Did the Israelis find one hard artifact or piece of archeological evidence in the “temple hill” to substatiate the existence of the alleged temple in that specific location? Your resources must have enformed you that all the excavations have revealed was a couple of Umayyad palaces on the cliff of the hill. You’re just too delluded by your bias. Both Bible and Quran spoke of the temple. But niether have indicated it’s exact location. Jewish people are entitled certain rights in Jerusalem, As well as Christians and Muslims. But that does not justify the existence of the stateof Israel on Palestine.
Posted by b-cell | February 8, 2008, 4:12 pmAnd by the way. The people of the Arab penesula are not all the arabs there is. Check the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs
” Arabic culture began to spread in the Middle East from the 2nd century as genealogically Arab Christians such as the Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Banu Judham began migrating into Northern Arabian desert and the Levant.[1][2][3] The Arabic language rose to prominence with the rise of Islam in the 7th century AD as the language of the Qur’an, and the Arabic language and culture became more widespread with the early Islamic expansion.”
“”Arab” is defined independently of religious identity, and pre-dates the rise of Islam, with historically attested Arab Christian kingdoms and Arab Jews”
It don’t matter what relegion you are. Being an Arab Has alway beena matter of choice. I don’t believe that the same applys to Israel.
Posted by b-cell | February 8, 2008, 4:22 pm