Comments on: Desecrating Hala Maksoud’s Memory http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html The irreverent, activist, often-inappropriate Arab-American (and others) blog. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:46:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: iigrgdlpv http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-31561 iigrgdlpv Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:44:51 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-31561 viDmm6 <a href="http://cjbbdtxycfub.com/" rel="nofollow">cjbbdtxycfub</a>, [url=http://wwsjuilzkaxh.com/]wwsjuilzkaxh[/url], [link=http://suyvvziqzntx.com/]suyvvziqzntx[/link], http://fnbiycxojyvb.com/ viDmm6 cjbbdtxycfub, [url=http://wwsjuilzkaxh.com/]wwsjuilzkaxh[/url], [link=http://suyvvziqzntx.com/]suyvvziqzntx[/link], http://fnbiycxojyvb.com/

]]> By: Karin Friedemann http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8323 Karin Friedemann Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:38:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8323 Hi,<br /><br />Hussein Ibish went over the top last week with this underhanded commentary on my article in which he omitted my name. In the headline he congratulates ATFP for standing up against "anti-Semitism"<br /><br />http://www.americantaskforce.org/in_media/in_print/2009/04/20/1240200000<br /><br />Note, while accusing Khaleej Times of publishing anti-Semitic "hate", he also does not even provide a link to my article, which if you read it, is a well-substantiated opinion piece free of emotion. <br /><br />I embedded the link to my article in my name here.<br /><br />Ibish's unethical statement fits in with his work with the ADC and ADL promoting the hate crimes legislation, which will increase police powers to prosecute and investigate "hate." <br /><br />His very dangerous anti-Constitution lobbying efforts seem to be aimed more at limiting discussion of Zionist criminality than of slander sgainst Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood, which he openly engages in. Oddly, the law he is pushing would also make it illegal for a religious institution to teach that homosexuality is a sin.<br /><br />Karin Friedemann Hi,

Hussein Ibish went over the top last week with this underhanded commentary on my article in which he omitted my name. In the headline he congratulates ATFP for standing up against “anti-Semitism”

http://www.americantaskforce.org/in_media/in_print/2009/04/20/1240200000

Note, while accusing Khaleej Times of publishing anti-Semitic “hate”, he also does not even provide a link to my article, which if you read it, is a well-substantiated opinion piece free of emotion.

I embedded the link to my article in my name here.

Ibish’s unethical statement fits in with his work with the ADC and ADL promoting the hate crimes legislation, which will increase police powers to prosecute and investigate “hate.”

His very dangerous anti-Constitution lobbying efforts seem to be aimed more at limiting discussion of Zionist criminality than of slander sgainst Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood, which he openly engages in. Oddly, the law he is pushing would also make it illegal for a religious institution to teach that homosexuality is a sin.

Karin Friedemann

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8324 Anonymous Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:55:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8324 I was there, I witnessed the gay-bashing. I'm sorry Maysoon, but this is not hearsay, I was actually there, you were not. If you think it's wrong to stand up against this sort've stuff, then that's a reflection of precisely what's wrong in our community. I was there, I witnessed the gay-bashing. I’m sorry Maysoon, but this is not hearsay, I was actually there, you were not. If you think it’s wrong to stand up against this sort’ve stuff, then that’s a reflection of precisely what’s wrong in our community.

]]> By: maysoonz http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8325 maysoonz Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:13:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8325 Arghh more wasting time. Yes dear dirawi gay bashing is foul and wrong but I WITNESSED NO GAY BASHING not in my presence, nor on the Today, show or on Colbert or in the papers, or anywhere but kabobfest.<br /><br />This article has done far more desecrating than anything else. i'm done if you have any other comments you can email me at zeitoonah@yahoo.com or on facebook which i check more often. <br /><br />Silly devisive hearsay. A woman I knew and adored is no longer with us and her dream is being spit on because people have a personal beef with each other. This is why we have no country<br /><br />sad and disgusted<br /><br />mz<br /><br />ps grow up kids bleeeease we need you to do good rather than harm cause you all seem pretty passionate and the community needs that. Arghh more wasting time. Yes dear dirawi gay bashing is foul and wrong but I WITNESSED NO GAY BASHING not in my presence, nor on the Today, show or on Colbert or in the papers, or anywhere but kabobfest.

This article has done far more desecrating than anything else. i’m done if you have any other comments you can email me at zeitoonah@yahoo.com or on facebook which i check more often.

Silly devisive hearsay. A woman I knew and adored is no longer with us and her dream is being spit on because people have a personal beef with each other. This is why we have no country

sad and disgusted

mz

ps grow up kids bleeeease we need you to do good rather than harm cause you all seem pretty passionate and the community needs that.

]]> By: Birawi http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8326 Birawi Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:10:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8326 Maysoon, gay-bashing in Maksoud's name IS a desecration of her memory. For you to suggest otherwise is sickening. Maysoon, gay-bashing in Maksoud’s name IS a desecration of her memory. For you to suggest otherwise is sickening.

]]> By: Birawi http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8327 Birawi Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:10:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8327 Maysoon, gay-bashing in Maksoud's name IS a desecration of her memory. For you to suggest otherwise is sickening. Maysoon, gay-bashing in Maksoud’s name IS a desecration of her memory. For you to suggest otherwise is sickening.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8328 Anonymous Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:48:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8328 Here are the facts so far. Fadi got a report of Ibish's unacceptable behavior in a session. Fadi, a smart guy, a respected activist and a lawyer who knows the libel laws, checked it out with a number of people who were there and they confirmed it. No one who was at the session has denied it, although many people have said they were at other sessions where Ibish did not trash and bash people. Fair enough. In any setting when people feel harassed, threatened, vilified because of their sexuality they are not forced to reveal their identity publicly. But we do not just dismiss their concerns as "hearsay." Is every person who is sexually harassed supposed to come out in public? And yes, if Ibish did what he is accused of doing, it is sexual harassment because it created a threatening and intimidating environment for the man or woman who reported it, and as an added bonus potentially harmed the reputation of whoever Ibish thought he was "outing." It's amazing to me that a small clique of Ibish loyalists are not willing to take this seriously and are instead joining the attack on the person who made the accusation. I mean since Hussein is the Executive Director of the Hala foundation, there is really is no possibility of due process within that organization, so its not like the person had an alternative route to seek redress. So they did the next best thing, which was go to a respected person like Fadi. That's good enough for me. Also, Hussein is a self-proclaimed public figure and as such he knows he can expect a certain level of public scrutiny of his behavior. Remember what is alleged was not private behavior, but something he is alleged to have done in a training. Hussein should be heard. Perhaps he should do the adult thing and apologize privately to those who were in the room, and we can move on. All the testimonials won't get him out of responding responsibly and taking responsibility. Here are the facts so far. Fadi got a report of Ibish’s unacceptable behavior in a session. Fadi, a smart guy, a respected activist and a lawyer who knows the libel laws, checked it out with a number of people who were there and they confirmed it. No one who was at the session has denied it, although many people have said they were at other sessions where Ibish did not trash and bash people. Fair enough. In any setting when people feel harassed, threatened, vilified because of their sexuality they are not forced to reveal their identity publicly. But we do not just dismiss their concerns as “hearsay.” Is every person who is sexually harassed supposed to come out in public? And yes, if Ibish did what he is accused of doing, it is sexual harassment because it created a threatening and intimidating environment for the man or woman who reported it, and as an added bonus potentially harmed the reputation of whoever Ibish thought he was “outing.” It’s amazing to me that a small clique of Ibish loyalists are not willing to take this seriously and are instead joining the attack on the person who made the accusation. I mean since Hussein is the Executive Director of the Hala foundation, there is really is no possibility of due process within that organization, so its not like the person had an alternative route to seek redress. So they did the next best thing, which was go to a respected person like Fadi. That’s good enough for me. Also, Hussein is a self-proclaimed public figure and as such he knows he can expect a certain level of public scrutiny of his behavior. Remember what is alleged was not private behavior, but something he is alleged to have done in a training. Hussein should be heard. Perhaps he should do the adult thing and apologize privately to those who were in the room, and we can move on. All the testimonials won’t get him out of responding responsibly and taking responsibility.

]]> By: maysoonz http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8329 maysoonz Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:35:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8329 Excuse me who put you in charge of Dr. Maksoud's memory? I personally am offended that you'd abuse her name to denegrate something she herself dreamt of and believed in. Allah yir 7am ha.<br /><br />Blogs are considered stupid by many and not worth commenting on and although some are very stupid unfortunately people tend to believe what they read sooooo here's my 2 cents.<br /><br />I learned invaluable information and techniques at the Hala training and made extremely useful connections w both speakers and trainees. There is not a single interview I've done that I have not called on something I learned there. Or called on my teacher/speakers for advice on. They have always been available to me.<br /><br />Also no one puts me up to anything (such as wasting my lovely Sun easter morning commenting on this devisive, hyperbolic anonymous fools post). I am doing this because I believe in and sincerely love this project.<br /><br />Hussein is a great teacher sincerely. Not necessarily the easiest personality but an encyclopedia of knowledge and experience. Hey I've read alot of things I've supposedly said twisted and taken out of context too. So don't believe everything you read...except this Falafel is not Israeli and the Hala training is extremely important project that deserves to thrive. It isn't perfect but I felt comfortable openly disagreeing with certain theories and that is whats beautiful about it. You get A-A's from all walks of life openly and rationally discussing huge idealogical differences without fear of having to edit ourselves. Its far more worth my time or anyone interested in leadership and pan arab unity on human rights issues than reading this slanderous devisive one sided drivvle typed by my pal anonymous and his court appt attorney fadi.<br /><br />Salam,<br />Maysoon Zayid<br /><br />PS And if you still don't believe I'm being sincere you will see i listed the training in my bio on our website for years.<br /><br /><br />PPS If you kabobfester want I'd be less silly write not based on hearsay but on actual attendence :) Excuse me who put you in charge of Dr. Maksoud’s memory? I personally am offended that you’d abuse her name to denegrate something she herself dreamt of and believed in. Allah yir 7am ha.

Blogs are considered stupid by many and not worth commenting on and although some are very stupid unfortunately people tend to believe what they read sooooo here’s my 2 cents.

I learned invaluable information and techniques at the Hala training and made extremely useful connections w both speakers and trainees. There is not a single interview I’ve done that I have not called on something I learned there. Or called on my teacher/speakers for advice on. They have always been available to me.

Also no one puts me up to anything (such as wasting my lovely Sun easter morning commenting on this devisive, hyperbolic anonymous fools post). I am doing this because I believe in and sincerely love this project.

Hussein is a great teacher sincerely. Not necessarily the easiest personality but an encyclopedia of knowledge and experience. Hey I’ve read alot of things I’ve supposedly said twisted and taken out of context too. So don’t believe everything you read…except this Falafel is not Israeli and the Hala training is extremely important project that deserves to thrive. It isn’t perfect but I felt comfortable openly disagreeing with certain theories and that is whats beautiful about it. You get A-A’s from all walks of life openly and rationally discussing huge idealogical differences without fear of having to edit ourselves. Its far more worth my time or anyone interested in leadership and pan arab unity on human rights issues than reading this slanderous devisive one sided drivvle typed by my pal anonymous and his court appt attorney fadi.

Salam,
Maysoon Zayid

PS And if you still don’t believe I’m being sincere you will see i listed the training in my bio on our website for years.

PPS If you kabobfester want I’d be less silly write not based on hearsay but on actual attendence :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8330 Anonymous Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:15:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8330 "And then this anonymous attacker has the cojones to complain that Ibish is bashing people in the community!"<br /><br />Ibish is the KING of bashing others in the community; he's themed entire op-eds to it! That's why people care less and less about him every day. And ok, sorry, next time we wont complain when Ibish outs others in the community as "flaming homosexuals." We'll just be complacent and let him continue doing so, because he was able to get a few of his friends to come on here and write irrelevant shit about how great they think he is. Since he cares so much about this, why doesn't he deny? We all know what he did, it's pathetic for you to suggest we ignore it because you think he's important. “And then this anonymous attacker has the cojones to complain that Ibish is bashing people in the community!”

Ibish is the KING of bashing others in the community; he’s themed entire op-eds to it! That’s why people care less and less about him every day. And ok, sorry, next time we wont complain when Ibish outs others in the community as “flaming homosexuals.” We’ll just be complacent and let him continue doing so, because he was able to get a few of his friends to come on here and write irrelevant shit about how great they think he is. Since he cares so much about this, why doesn’t he deny? We all know what he did, it’s pathetic for you to suggest we ignore it because you think he’s important.

]]> By: Katherine Metres http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/03/desecrating-hala-maksouds-memory.html/comment-page-3#comment-8331 Katherine Metres Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:07:00 +0000 http://kabobfest.yamansalahi.com/?p=1388#comment-8331 What a pathetic excuse for a critique! As a very satisfied graduate of the Hala Maksoud Foundation training (basic and advanced levels) who enjoyed the open debate in my seminars, I have to say I am just disgusted with this crap. In my experience, this kind of "let's take each other down" approach to "community self-critique" (?) is the biggest thing holding back the Arab-American community from making progress.<br /><br />Hello? The person who writes is bashing an important leader in the Arab-American community. Hussein Ibish has his flaws like anyone else (yes, he's blunt but certainly not a homophobe), but he has done more to promote Arab rights and a reasonable U.S. approach to Israel-Palestine peacemaking and Iraq than practically anyone. And he has done so more effectively. And then this anonymous attacker has the cojones to complain that Ibish is bashing people in the community! Take a look in the mirror and do something constructive to advance the community. This was not it.<br /><br />Katherine Metres<br />Former Executive Director<br />American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee/New York What a pathetic excuse for a critique! As a very satisfied graduate of the Hala Maksoud Foundation training (basic and advanced levels) who enjoyed the open debate in my seminars, I have to say I am just disgusted with this crap. In my experience, this kind of “let’s take each other down” approach to “community self-critique” (?) is the biggest thing holding back the Arab-American community from making progress.

Hello? The person who writes is bashing an important leader in the Arab-American community. Hussein Ibish has his flaws like anyone else (yes, he’s blunt but certainly not a homophobe), but he has done more to promote Arab rights and a reasonable U.S. approach to Israel-Palestine peacemaking and Iraq than practically anyone. And he has done so more effectively. And then this anonymous attacker has the cojones to complain that Ibish is bashing people in the community! Take a look in the mirror and do something constructive to advance the community. This was not it.

Katherine Metres
Former Executive Director
American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee/New York

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