The Israeli ‘Defense’ Forces, despite committing massacres and atrocities against Palestinians and Lebanese since 1947 and maintaining an illegal occupation over the West Bank and Gaza Strip for over 40 years, are the most moral army in the region.
After one of its soldiers was captured on video shooting a bound and blindfolded Palestinian man 1.5 meters away, Zionuts rushed to deflect criticism of Israel’s primarily instrument of apartheid and colonization by insisting that the soldier in question was just a rotten apple.
Ehud Barak said the case was "grave and wrong" and that the military would exact the full extent of the law…The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) also issued a statement calling the incident "grave" and in "direct contradiction" of its values.
In televised remarks to Labour Party MPs on Monday, Mr Barak promised that those involved would be held to account.
"[The] incident was a grave and wrong one and is not indicative of the IDF's norms. The military will exact the full extent of the law in this case," he said.
"Warriors do not behave like this."
So naturally, keeping up with its exemplary moral code, the Israeli army released the soldier from custody and sent him back to his unit.
Then, they arrested the father of the girl who filmed the incident.
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Ok, ya got me. I thought a murderer had been turned loose.
But the actual atrocity:
He was shown firing a rubber coated bullet at the detainee's foot as other soldiers stand around watching.
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Mr Abu Rahma was treated for a bruised toe by army medics and has not filed a complaint with the military.
And it appears he's merely free pending trial.
You guys are pretty funny.
Meanwhile, Islamists punish homosexuals by gay-raping them. It sounds like a joke, but it isn't.
Classic response of pro-zionut defenders of Israel: Steer away from the main argument and dig around for an irrelevant counterargument. Had the article been written on "Islamists" and homosexuals, then it's relevant. But in order to deny that what's mentioned in the article is in fact immoral, you find a lame way to justify immorality by mentioning another immorality. Slavery was justified because of what Nat Turner did. We're in 2008, and I thought you could do better.
FYI:
The army also arrested the Canadian activist, Victor MacDermaid, who brought the film to B'tselem.
Pretty shocking to see this. We i didnt expect any less from the IDF they after all assholes.
Btw, why is it that whenever someone posts to this blog they turn stuff into religious debates. Like the dipshit "Roy". Were talking bout Israel here not jews. But you always have to go there dnt you :P
The IDF is by far the most moral army in the world. The Palestinians for months now have been given cameras to film the "atrocities" of the IDF and this is the best they could do.
"The Palestinians for months now have been given cameras to film the "atrocities" of the IDF and this is the best they could do."
Nope. There have been tapes of a man beaten while tied to a pole and a woman beaten with a bat. In the past, Palestinians had their homes burned and some have been stabbed.
How about giving us links to these videos? You are mixing up between the IDF and the Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria (settlers for you).
The experiment with the video cameras has proven above and beyond any reasonable doubt that the IDF is the most moral army in the world by far.
Seriously, protecting Israeli lives is important enough to put up with the occasional 22 year old private getting pissed off and shooting some "activist" in the foot with a rubber bullet that causes no damage.
This is a natural byproduct of putting thousands of young boys with guns in a delicate socio-politico-military context.
These same guys are out there having to protect the security barrier project from weekly assault by what amounts to gangs who taunt and abuse the soldiers, throw rocks, etc. They probably just got fed up and wanted to teach this particular over-eager "activist" a lesson.
You expect every one of the soldiers to be a big intellectual who understands every cultural nuance and can easily navigate the legal, moral and political landscape of security, human rights, etc.
No, these are regular guys out there in the hot sun with people spitting at them, throwing rocks, cursing them, not letting them do their job. So big deal, they didn't kill or even hurt anybody badly. This is a non story.
wouldn't your heroic boys with guns not have to endure the horrors of being spit on if they weren't required to police an illegal occupation?
I'm sure they would prefer to be fucking their girlfriends on the beach, like any other boys their age, but instead they are forced to strap on bulletproof armor, load their guns and defend their nation and their people from savage terrorists, and those who support violence and oppose peace.
"...not letting them do their job."
Which, is of course, defending an illegal occupation and aiding the continued colonisation of someone else's land...
Needless to say, they are only following orders.
Lowerthandirt. You're really an amateur. Get your woman to handle your propaganda. You just don't have the brains for the job.
The real question is, why are Palestinians taught from a young age to throw rocks and spit at Jews? After all, these IDF soldiers received no worse treatment than the civilian passengers of any given car with Israeli license plates driving past a Palestinian village.
No Mitch, you make amateurs look shrewd. Why are you defending the occupation? Thats the root cause of this problem. You have blundered around stupidly in attempting to sidestep the issue at every turn.
Settlers are not innocent civilians. They are direct participants in the colonization of an occupied land-a double war crime.
Defending their war crimes is a war crime in itself.
Stop bashing your head against the wall with the 'Palestinians teach their kids crap.' You're so full of denial, ignorance or idiocy that every thing you post here has exposed you for a fool. Give it up.
Mohammad, were you not an individual of violence, hatred and fascism, I would take what you had to say seriously. As things stand, your words reek with the hypocrisy and savage brutality that define your existence.
You are proving, again, that you support the murder of innocent people. Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria are considered civilians by the International Law that you so love to quote (when it is convenient). Thus, attacking them is in contravention to International Law, a gross breach of human rights, coupled with a rabid, unbridled, and indiscriminate anti-semitism that is so characteristic of many of your people.
Furthermore, who knows whether the occupant of the car is Arab, Jew, Druze or Chinese? Only the plates of the car are known - they are Israeli - and this is sufficient to condemn their occupants to death, according to your vicious, despicable mentality.
As you so eloquently put it, "defending war crimes is a war crimes". You are guilty as charged.
"Stop bashing your head against the wall"...
Interesting choice of words by someone who plays with himself to a full size portrait of Kuntar.
But in order to deny that what's mentioned in the article is in fact immoral
I didn't deny that it was immoral. I merely pointed out that certain extremely relevant facts were left out of the post to make it look like an atrocity and a travesty, when it was neither.
It was immoral. And punishment is entirely likely.
"... as defined by international law."
How cute! A champion of Israel citing international law and human rights!
If Human Rights Abuse were an Olympic event, Israel would be wrapped in a laurel wreath singing its national anthem while Palestine was still wheezing it's way around the back of the stadium, negotiating roadblocks and searching for his water.... which, of course, Israel stole on the way in.
Mitch, in almost every comment you make, you accuse me of supporting the slaughter of innocent Jews, of being a violent person, of having terrorist tendencies-and yet, despite me asking time and again, you have never provided a shred of evidence for your claims.
Roy, what important incidents were left out of the post? Is not shooting a bound and blindfolded man a travesty in your world?
Punishment is likely? He has already been sent back to his unit.
Mohammad, you can dispel all those accusations by answering... ready for it? Ta da ta da! Mohammad's Three Big Questions! (MTBQ)
1) Do you support Hamas launching rockets and mortars at Israel?
2) Do you support Palestinians employing homicide bombers to target Israeli civilians?
3) Do you support the kidnapping of Israelis by Arabs?
Just answer his questions, Mo. Tired of this zionist fuck running circles around you.
I'll do it...
1) Do you support Hamas launching rockets and mortars at Israel?
No.
2) Do you support Palestinians employing homicide bombers to target Israeli civilians?
Of course not.
3) Do you support the kidnapping of Israelis by Arabs?
If they're soldiers over international borders or maintaining an illegal occupaiton and a sytem of apartheid, I would say that they are then at the mercy of whatver tactic the local resistance movement seeks to employ.
The Geneva Convention says that people are able to resist occupied territory "by any means necessary". And, yes, I support the right of Palestinians and the Lebanese to do so against any invading or occupying military force.
Now some questions for you:
1) What is it about apartheid you particularly admire?
2) Was collective punishment a war crime the Israelis learned from the Nazis, or was it a tactic they discovered by themselves?
3) Is killing an entire family by dropping a 500lb bomb on an apartment building more or less abhorrent than bulldozing a home over a disabled man?
4) In South Lebanon, are cluster bombs the gifts that keep on giving?
5) When an Israeli writes a number on the inside of a Palestinian's arm in black ink, do you think he can actually look at himself in the fucking mirror?
6) Do all Palestinian 10-year-olds playing football deserve to be shot?
7) When you see a video of a settler beating the shit out of man tied to a post, is your first reaction always to say: "Well, I don't think this proves anything..."?
8) Are all Zionists out of their goddamned fucking minds...?
Mohammad, you can dispel all those accusations by answering... ready for it? Ta da ta da! Mohammad's Three Big Questions! (MTBQ)
1) Do you support Hamas launching rockets and mortars at Israel?
2) Do you support Palestinians employing homicide bombers to target Israeli civilians?
3) Do you support the kidnapping of Israelis by Arabs?
Answer mine first, bitch....
Mohammad, you can dispel all those accusations by answering... ready for it? Ta da ta da! Mohammad's Three Big Questions! (MTBQ)
1) Do you support Hamas launching rockets and mortars at Israel?
2) Do you support Palestinians employing homicide bombers to target Israeli civilians?
3) Do you support the kidnapping of Israelis by Arabs?
@Mohammad:
Roy, what important incidents were left out of the post?
That the shooting
1. was a rubber bullet
2. fired at the man's foot
3. causing very minor injury
4. and the charges were not dismissed
The way the post was written, it deliberately suggested that someone was executed, and the charges were dropped.
You know, all the things I mentioned in my very first comment. Read better.
@Nox:
The Geneva Convention says that people are able to resist occupied territory "by any means necessary".
You are a liar.
The Geneva Convention says that people are able to resist occupied territory "by any means necessary".
This is an absolute lie! The provisions relating to responsibilities of occupation obligate both the occupying power and indigenous population.
Nowhere does it say the occupied population may resort to indiscriminate violence against even the occupied forces, much less the civilian population from the homeland of the occupying force.
In order to wage war on an occupying force, there must be a national governing structure which authorizes a national military to defend the country. This military is obligated to, among other things, respect the rules of war (wear uniforms!) and protect all civilians (whether they are from the occupied territories or from the territories of the occupying army).
All combatants must so declare themselves and conduct their operations in a legal manner from the perspective of international law.
Waging terrorist or guerrilla war is not accepted by international law as a form of resistance.
Fuck off the pair of you:
Article 1(4) of the 1st Additional Protocol to the Geneva Conventions, 1977:
"The Geneva Declaration on Terrorism states: 'As repeatedly recognized by the United Nations General Assembly, peoples who are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination have the right to use force to accomplish their objectives within the framework of international humanitarian law...."
The Commission on Human Rights (CHR Resolution 3 XXXV, 21 February 1979 and CHR Resolution 1989/19, 6 March 1989):
"...routinely reaffirms the legitimacy of struggling against occupation by all available means, including armed struggle..."
UN General Assembly Resolution 37/43, adopted 3 December 1982:
"Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle."
Yeah, and the part you should have been focusing on is:
"within the framework of international humanitarian law"
Palestinians cannot commit wholesale violations of the rules of war, or transgress all other Geneva conventions relating to protection of civilians, identifying yourself as a combatant, etc., in their war against Israel.
By the way, post the links to those quotes. It's a common courtesy of blogging. Otherwise, your quotes are suspect to be invalid.
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