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		<title>By: Super Sayyin</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5815</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Sayyin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uhm, Hezbollah has moderated itself quite well when it came into the public fold of Lebanon. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I mean aside from removing the clause in their agenda about &quot;creating an Islamic government,&quot; they&#039;ve also gone a long way in trying to appeal to Lebanese people outside of their traditional Shia base. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for Hamas, I still don&#039;t see them forcing women to wear Burkas even though they have a measure of control over the Gaza strip (Israel, obviously really controls the strip). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can&#039;t judge all Islamist groups as the same. Each one is radically different from the other. The Taliban and Hezbollah for example, are radically opposite groups with radically different kinds of thinking. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bombing them will only make the situation worse as we have seen in Afghanistan and now again in Somalia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uhm, Hezbollah has moderated itself quite well when it came into the public fold of Lebanon. </p>
<p>I mean aside from removing the clause in their agenda about &#8220;creating an Islamic government,&#8221; they&#8217;ve also gone a long way in trying to appeal to Lebanese people outside of their traditional Shia base. </p>
<p>As for Hamas, I still don&#8217;t see them forcing women to wear Burkas even though they have a measure of control over the Gaza strip (Israel, obviously really controls the strip). </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t judge all Islamist groups as the same. Each one is radically different from the other. The Taliban and Hezbollah for example, are radically opposite groups with radically different kinds of thinking. </p>
<p>Bombing them will only make the situation worse as we have seen in Afghanistan and now again in Somalia.</p>
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		<title>By: xoggoth</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5816</link>
		<dc:creator>xoggoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The odd prodigy aside, success in any sport seems to be proportional to what the state spends on it. If Egypt did not do well the fault is at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The odd prodigy aside, success in any sport seems to be proportional to what the state spends on it. If Egypt did not do well the fault is at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5817</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The only way to deal with them (minimize their influence) is to ease the choke on them, gradually. Let them and other groups be involved. Sure they may dominate at first, but that would not last.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hahaha! Like that has not been tried with Hizballah and Hamas? Show me &lt;b&gt;ONE&lt;/b&gt; case where Islamist extremists have been cajoled into moderating their agenda by way of including them in the political process. Just ONE example, Kalash.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How many Islamic revolutionary groups is it going to take for you people to understand there is only one way to deal with them?! And the funny thing is that, as soon as these Islamists take over, you Commies and your notions of &quot;freedom&quot; will be the first thing they exterminate, as they always have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of extremists being exterminated and never bothering anyone ever again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The only way to deal with them (minimize their influence) is to ease the choke on them, gradually. Let them and other groups be involved. Sure they may dominate at first, but that would not last.</i></p>
<p>Hahaha! Like that has not been tried with Hizballah and Hamas? Show me <b>ONE</b> case where Islamist extremists have been cajoled into moderating their agenda by way of including them in the political process. Just ONE example, Kalash.</p>
<p>How many Islamic revolutionary groups is it going to take for you people to understand there is only one way to deal with them?! And the funny thing is that, as soon as these Islamists take over, you Commies and your notions of &#8220;freedom&#8221; will be the first thing they exterminate, as they always have.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we have plenty of examples of extremists being exterminated and never bothering anyone ever again.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5818</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous said... &lt;br /&gt;Now that&#039;s not nice, Ahmed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; hey you (or your namesake) started it with those insinuations&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kalash&lt;br /&gt;certainly i will check with them, but i would be interested to know other people&#039;s experience with this also the university credit is really a secondary issue as i will go ahead with it regardless of university views if i find something</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonymous said&#8230; <br />Now that&#8217;s not nice, Ahmed.</p>
<p> hey you (or your namesake) started it with those insinuations</p>
<p>Kalash<br />certainly i will check with them, but i would be interested to know other people&#8217;s experience with this also the university credit is really a secondary issue as i will go ahead with it regardless of university views if i find something</p>
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		<title>By: Kalash</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5819</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why don&#039;t you just check with your university?  Surely they can tell you what you can and can&#039;t get credit for.  Then you can decide how to proceed (and seek advice accordingly if need be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed,</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you just check with your university?  Surely they can tell you what you can and can&#8217;t get credit for.  Then you can decide how to proceed (and seek advice accordingly if need be).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s not nice, Ahmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s not nice, Ahmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalash</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2008/08/games-over.html/comment-page-1#comment-5821</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonty- you&#039;re right: that mindset does need to change.  It&#039;s a vicious cycle where the stagnant political situation feeds complacency and apathy in the streets.  Also, the skewed perceptions of loyalty and national pride we suffer from give strength to the despots, leading to rampant corruption.  An open political process would be a small but significant start at improving things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;PB- I too am no fan of the MB. While I don&#039;t see them being eradicated anytime soon, the only way to deal with them (minimize their influence) is to ease the choke on them, gradually. Again, the political process needs to be open. Let them  and other groups be involved.  Sure they may dominate at first, but that would not last.  I agree they are probably worse than Mubarak (at least as bad, but in a different way).  I&#039;m sure Egyptians would realize that soon enough.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fayyad- Egyptians are a proud people (with good reason).  What&#039;s sad is that their inability to rise up is due in large part to the shortcomings of the ruling party.  It&#039;s sad that they have to resort to such patronizing tactics to alleviate anger.  People may very well be upset about the Olympics, but I believe any real anger to be a mere reflection of how Egyptians feel about life in general.  What other Arab country is there where such a high percentage of adults are college educated and languishing in unemployment?  Hopefully there is some way to avoid Gamal (and the Brotherhood).  I can&#039;t pretend to be an expert on the situation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonty- you&#8217;re right: that mindset does need to change.  It&#8217;s a vicious cycle where the stagnant political situation feeds complacency and apathy in the streets.  Also, the skewed perceptions of loyalty and national pride we suffer from give strength to the despots, leading to rampant corruption.  An open political process would be a small but significant start at improving things.</p>
<p>PB- I too am no fan of the MB. While I don&#8217;t see them being eradicated anytime soon, the only way to deal with them (minimize their influence) is to ease the choke on them, gradually. Again, the political process needs to be open. Let them  and other groups be involved.  Sure they may dominate at first, but that would not last.  I agree they are probably worse than Mubarak (at least as bad, but in a different way).  I&#8217;m sure Egyptians would realize that soon enough.</p>
<p>Fayyad- Egyptians are a proud people (with good reason).  What&#8217;s sad is that their inability to rise up is due in large part to the shortcomings of the ruling party.  It&#8217;s sad that they have to resort to such patronizing tactics to alleviate anger.  People may very well be upset about the Olympics, but I believe any real anger to be a mere reflection of how Egyptians feel about life in general.  What other Arab country is there where such a high percentage of adults are college educated and languishing in unemployment?  Hopefully there is some way to avoid Gamal (and the Brotherhood).  I can&#8217;t pretend to be an expert on the situation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ahmed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think i am a war tourist?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; i am in Australia but i will be in the mideast soon to visit relations regardless and i am willing to spend time as an unpaid intern&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;if my name didnt give it away, i have mideast origins, have been before and can easily find my own way around and have family there to help out should i fall short,&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; rud be ishi mufeed ow tdal sakit law smahat &lt;br /&gt;wa kaman shi wahad badu &lt;br /&gt;yasa3ed wa anta bedoon ta3rif ishi aleeh btebtedi bal manyaka&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; shija3a mitl tba3tak allah khaleek khabee&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ahmed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think i am a war tourist?</p>
<p> i am in Australia but i will be in the mideast soon to visit relations regardless and i am willing to spend time as an unpaid intern</p>
<p>if my name didnt give it away, i have mideast origins, have been before and can easily find my own way around and have family there to help out should i fall short,</p>
<p> rud be ishi mufeed ow tdal sakit law smahat <br />wa kaman shi wahad badu <br />yasa3ed wa anta bedoon ta3rif ishi aleeh btebtedi bal manyaka</p>
<p> shija3a mitl tba3tak allah khaleek khabee</p>
<p>Ahmed</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahmed, there&#039;s lots of work to do in the U.S. or wherever it is your uni is. Those places ain&#039;t as perfect as we&#039;d like to think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t know if you&#039;re American or European, but you&#039;re sounding like one. Like one who seeking a visit to a Disneyland of the oppressed, probably to go &quot;save&quot; them, right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Doubtful they can use your &quot;help&quot; in any of these places unless you have medical training or something useful that won&#039;t take anyone away from their work in order to be your tour guide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahmed, there&#8217;s lots of work to do in the U.S. or wherever it is your uni is. Those places ain&#8217;t as perfect as we&#8217;d like to think.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re American or European, but you&#8217;re sounding like one. Like one who seeking a visit to a Disneyland of the oppressed, probably to go &#8220;save&#8221; them, right?</p>
<p>Doubtful they can use your &#8220;help&#8221; in any of these places unless you have medical training or something useful that won&#8217;t take anyone away from their work in order to be your tour guide.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assholishness and corruption are necessarily attributes of the current paradigm. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s these systems, these modes of thinking of ours -- not the man that needs to change. When we realize this about the U.S. as well, we&#039;ll stop spending all of our energy hating the George Bushes and Bill Clintons we elect to &quot;represent&quot; us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That&#039;s my only critique of this otherwise great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assholishness and corruption are necessarily attributes of the current paradigm. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s these systems, these modes of thinking of ours &#8212; not the man that needs to change. When we realize this about the U.S. as well, we&#8217;ll stop spending all of our energy hating the George Bushes and Bill Clintons we elect to &#8220;represent&#8221; us.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my only critique of this otherwise great post.</p>
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