Another victory for whiteness.
Whether through chastising Blacks for feeding their kids fried chicken for breakfast; by spending Father’s Day reprimanding black men for acting like “boys” rather than responsible adults; or by spewing out nonsense like “the single biggest thing” that we could do to reduce inner-city poverty “is to encourage teenage girls to finish high school and avoid having children out of wedlock,” Whites are happy to find in Barack Obama a person who could get away with saying all that they’d been thinking and privately saying. Add to that the following:
On today’s NPR’s Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me, they mentioned that earlier this week Barack Obama was interviewed by MTV. And when asked about his thoughts on a municipal ban on sagging pants, this was his response:
“Here is my attitude: I think people passing a law against people wearing sagging pants is a waste of time. We should be focused on creating jobs, improving our schools, health care, dealing with the war in Iraq, and anybody, any public official, that is worrying about sagging pants probably needs to spend some time focusing on real problems out there. Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What’s wrong with that? Come on. There are some issues that we face, that you don’t have to pass a law, but that doesn’t mean folks can’t have some sense and some respect for other people and, you know, some people might not want to see your underwear — I’m one of them.”
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1598409/20081102/story.jhtml
Of course, the liberal NPR Wait Wait audience couldn’t contain their roars of applause and appreciation.
It’s Barack Obama’s call to blacks that they accommodate themselves to the mainstream culture, because “members of every minority group continue to be measured largely by the degree of our assimilation.” (See: Audacity of Hope for this and the black girls and wedlock quote above)
I can’t let people get away with thinking that a black man as the leader of a tyrannical regime is supposed to be a “good thing” for Blacks or anybody at all. Or that it’s supposed to be a good thing that there exists a role model like Obama for blacks because he isn’t “an athlete or a rapper.”
I am embarassed for anyone who, while voting for Barack Obama because he was black somehow thought it would be good for building a “post-race” society. This presidential election was historic, but only in the sense that it showed that black skin is equally corruptable as is white. This presidential election was historic, but only in the sense that it shows that we don’t know what racism is.
And it proves, and it will continue to prove that we, so-called “leftists,” don’t know what social justice ever meant. And even more than that, we don’t even know how to begin to imagine it.
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Qui Qui, you ARE. NOT. INTELLIGENT.
I don’t know why they continue to let you write for this otherwise enlightening blog. Take your hatred and self-described elitism elsewhere.
Posted by Are you for real | November 8, 2008, 1:34 pmagreed. this is laughable.
the idea that letting your underwear show in public is tacky and ideally should be avoided sounds pretty damn reasonable to me. and no, no it is not essentially racist or a self-hating accommodation to a society dominated by “white” norms to suggest so.
you use the same logic to deride obama’s advice to fellow black men as those who mock other black people for pursuing an education and achievement as “acting white.” getting an education and not flashing your underwear — whether it’s black men in too low-hanging pants or white girls with trashy thongs sticking out of their jeans — are universally understood as common sense, good things to do.
when a white man says it, you scream racism. when a black man says it, you scream racism.
this is a very good example of the kind of misguided, casual use of heavily charged accusations that cause people not to take it seriously when it comes to a case in which it’s actually warranted.
Posted by Nacho | November 8, 2008, 2:51 pmI agree that Obama’s remarks about unwed mothers are clueless and show a lack of understanding about the complex causes of poverty. On the other hand, you are making a mountain out of a molehill regarding his comments about young blacks walking around with their pants around their asses. Obama is correct when he says this shows a lack of respect, and many people, black and white, take it as such. He also correctly points out that this is hardly the biggest issue we have to deal with right now.
Not every thing is about race, and I think the mentality that says it is racist to criticize any aspect of black culture is identical to that which claims “anti-Semitism” whenever Israel or specific aspects of Jewish culture is called into question. We should be free to criticize aspects of black culture we find disagreeable without facing knee-jerk accusations of racism, just as we should be free to criticize Israel, US governmental policy or “whiteness,” whatever that is. Racism is a reality just like anti-Semitism is a reality, and that reality shouldn’t be trivialized by tossing around accusations of bigotry like rice
at a wedding.
Pants around the ass is hardly a major issue one way or the other, but keeping silent about the very real problems plaguing black society isn’t going to help to correct them. Racism and lack of opportunities are the real primary causes of poverty in the black community, but lack of initiative, an epidemic of teen pregnancies and a lack of willingness to adapt to the dominant culture are major contributing factors to black poverty as well as the result of it.
Every ethnic group has faced discrimination in this country, and every ethnic group has understood it has to be on its best behavior as well as adapt to the dominant culture to counter that.
Young blacks need to understand that like it or not, fair or not, racist or not, they are representatives of their people, and if they want to act like assholes, that will shape people’s general impression about “blackness” in much the way you have an opinion about “whiteness.” Not saying that’s right or justifiable, but it’s human nature to generalize and stereotype and that’s the way it is. If you drive around with a boom car blasting loud rap music at 2am when working people are trying to sleep, you should expect that some of the justifiable rage asshole behavior like that engenders is going to be unjustifiably directed at your people. If that isn’t a concern for young black people, then they need to ask themselves whether they are part of the problem or part of the solution.
Posted by Sean | November 8, 2008, 3:42 pmthats right quiqui, fight for social justice, fight against whiteness, fight for the right to sag the pants.
Because sagging pants is all about fighting against the white power structures of this society. When black grandma stands on the porch yelling at the neighborhood kids to pull up their pants, she is just another white conformist.
Posted by Anonymous | November 8, 2008, 4:22 pmEvery bit of credibility that the commenter “Sean” once had when he called out the bloggers on this web site for using “white trash” on their posts is now gone.
I 100% agree that it is offensive and racist to tell “brothers” to pull their pants up. Even if it’s a matter of aesthetics, what the HELL is it to you or anybody else? It’s not of anyone’s business if someone wants to wear sagging pants. It’s obvious that it’s a move against young black (hip hop) culture and therfore Blacks.
A majority of people who sag their pants are not criminal. It’s a style thing. Just like the majority of people who listen to rap aren’t criminals either. But it’s interesting how you, “Sean,” make the move into directly coupling sagging pants with assholish, degenerate behavior.
WOWWWWW.
No credibility left. I’d been keeping up with your comments Sean, because I thought you made interesting points on the “white trash” issue which I hate.
But you have made it obvious you don’t understand racism, Sean. I’m not sure if you care about “white trash” because you are or grew up a poor white. It makes no sense otherwise because you don’t follow your own logic when it comes to black culture. I am really disappointed.
Like you say, why get mad about anything if it’s true that, as you believe:
“it’s human nature to generalize and stereotype and that’s the way it is.”
I don’t want to interact with someone who thinks that way. And I don’t want to interact with someone who believes:
“every ethnic group has understood it has to be on its best behavior as well as adapt to the dominant culture to counter that.”
I mean, I can just keep quoting your vitriol:
“lack of initiative, an epidemic of teen pregnancies and a lack of willingness to adapt to the dominant culture are major contributing factors to black poverty as well as the result of it.”
I agree with you that statements like yours and Barack Obama show “a lack of understanding about the complex causes of poverty.”
The two of you are vicious. Just vicious.
Posted by Salma | November 8, 2008, 4:50 pmTo his credit that Obama pointed this out, it is pretty ridicules for people to walk around with their pants around their thighs and it is quite repulsive. This is a leader who is looking out for his own people and giving them a word of advice. You need to relax and get ready to oppose Obama on some real substantive issues and not get your panties in a bunch over some sound advice that would encourage young men to dress in a more presentable fashion.
Posted by reef | November 8, 2008, 5:11 pm“I can’t let people get away with thinking that a black man as the leader of a tyrannical regime is supposed to be a good thing for blacks.”
Wow, are you that egotistical Qui Qui?
“This presidential election was historic, but only in the sense that it showed that black skin is equally corruptable as is white.”
You’re living in a box if you think THAT is the only historical aspect of Obama’s election victory.
I’m getting tired of reading your almost racist rants on this blog. Grow up and try experiencing life outside the confines of a precious University. Your elitism is transparent, and it’s laughable that someone as seemingly ignorant as yourself hesitates for not even a second to pass judgment on a mass of people if they don’t agree with your opinions 100%.
Posted by Doug | November 8, 2008, 6:31 pmHonestly, I don’t care what color your skin is, I don’t want to see your underwear. And really, it is making too much of it, either way. This is a bit like some of the stuff that the Republicans brought up during the election: very trivial and totally unnecessary. It doesn’t make me think less of him, or more of him. Perhaps we could find better things to talk about? Perhaps stuff that actually matters?
Posted by Patton | November 8, 2008, 6:33 pmWhoever chastised African Americans for feeding their kids fried chicken for breakfast?
Are you trying to write for shock value, or do you have anything of substance to discuss?
“It’s Barack Obama’s call to blacks that they accommodate themselves to the mainstream culture”
Is there something wrong with not agreeing with saggy jeans that expose your underwear to the world? What’s so bad about that?
And Obama even said it’s not something the law should deal with, he just finds it personally in poor taste. Where’s this racism you talk about? Where’s this assimilation to ‘mainstream culture’ you reference? Put simply, what the hell is your point?
Posted by Doug | November 8, 2008, 7:56 pm“Every bit of credibility that the commenter “Sean” once had when he called out the bloggers on this web site for using “white trash” on their posts is now gone.”
So the value of everything I have said or ever will say can now be summarily dismissed based on your disagreement with one opinion. Glad we cleared that up.
“I 100% agree that it is offensive and racist to tell “brothers” to pull their pants up. Even if it’s a matter of aesthetics, what the HELL is it to you or anybody else? It’s not of anyone’s business if someone wants to wear sagging pants. It’s obvious that it’s a move against young black (hip hop) culture and therfore Blacks.”
I 100 percent disagree that it is racist to ask people to show respect for others, just because the request is aimed at blacks.
“A majority of people who sag their pants are not criminal. It’s a style thing. Just like the majority of people who listen to rap aren’t criminals either. But it’s interesting how you, “Sean,” make the move into directly coupling sagging pants with assholish, degenerate behavior.”
Yes, I consider people who have no respect for others to be assholes, whether that’s a “style” thing or not. I said nothing about criminal behavior and in fact said it is no big deal as far as I’m concerned, but that’s not the way a mother out with her kids sees it.
This may surpirse you but I understand racism quite well becaus I was in fact a poor white kid who grew up in a black neighborhood. During that time there was not a single day that I did not face racist harassment or violence in school or on the way home from school. Not one day. By the time I was 13, I had been stabbed in the face, slashed in the hand, had my nose broken twice and had more fights than I can count. You may think this makes me bitter against blacks, or sensitive to “white trash” stereotypes, but the opposite is true. I was not the only one in my school who faced violence, harassment and abuse. The black kids did too. I just got singled out a helluva lot more because I was white. And I will never forget my black friend who courageously stood by my side when I was about to get my ass kicked by a street gang, and they let us both go because they were impressed by his bravery. So no, I have no bitterness against blacks there, love. I also had the experience of moving to an all-white neighborhood afterwards that was intensely racist, and one of my neighbors had been a black man married to a white woman whose house had been firebombed 6 months before we moved in. They also cut the brake lines on his car causing his wife to get into an accident. I’ve seen racism from both sides, and I’ve lived it, so I know what racism is, and I know what it is not. Racism is not criticism of blacks or their culture.
That’s why I recognize that when liberals like you reflexively and so very predictably break out the PC bat to beat people up as racists over any criticism of blacks whatsoever, you really don’t understand what racism is and how you trivialize the concept of racism by launching into such overwrought, self-righteous and self congratulatory outrage over nothing. Maybe it makes you feel good, but it is utterly counterproductive and is indeed highly patronizing to blacks, who have far thicker skins and self-awareness than PC types like you give them credit for. There are plenty of black people who think kids walking around with their asses hanging out are assholes too.
As for my logic, If you’re in a Muslim country and you deliberately shit on the local culture then yeah you are an asshole. What you are not is a representative of all poor white people everywhere. See the difference? Get enough white people acting like that and you get reactions like Kalash’s, but that doesn’t make it right, just a reaction that it is to be expected. Even so I still don’t understand why two people making out on a deserted beach in the middle of the night constitutes asshole behavior so extreme they somehow “deserve” to be sent to prison and brutalized for it, simply because they’re white. Neither I or Obama called for a law against saggy pants, just exercised our right to express our opinion that it is asshole behavior. Sorry you regard any critcism of black culture as racist, but that’s your hangup.
“Like you say, why get mad about anything if it’s true that, as you believe:
“it’s human nature to generalize and stereotype and that’s the way it is.”
Are you seriously trying to deny that it is human nature to generalize and strereotype when it is so obviously common? And please, you might do your own credibility a lot of good if next time you don’t snip the part where I said this wasn’t justified. You have every right to get mad at racist stereotyping. What you don’t have is the right to deny that it is part of human nature and exists in every culture.
I don’t want to interact with someone who thinks that way. And I don’t want to interact with someone who believes:
“every ethnic group has understood it has to be on its best behavior as well as adapt to the dominant culture to counter that.”
That is also a fact of life, related to the first. I never said it was right but of course you snipped that part, but if you live in a racist society it is a simple fact that you have to be better than the norm to be accepted. If you engage in behavior that generates outrage in people, that can and will encourage racism, however unjustified that is. This is common sense and I doubt any black person would dispute it.
“I agree with you that statements like yours and Barack Obama show “a lack of understanding about the complex causes of poverty.”
The two of you are vicious. Just vicious.”
I have lived with racism and I have lived with viciousness. I know what they are and what they are not. If you think what I wrote was racist and vicious, you live a very sheltered life indeed.
Posted by Sean | November 8, 2008, 11:11 pm@ Sean:
I knew it. You only care about the use of “white trash” because you grew up poor and white. Without ever having met you or known what you look like, it was easy to predict because you don’t seem to have a grip on any other racist BS than yours. Just like almost every single Arab American I’ve ever met who only cares about Palestine or racist shit against Arabs. It’s where their activism begins and ends. They, like you, are never going to get anywhere.
Posted by Salma | November 9, 2008, 4:37 amSean do you really think “anti white anti male bigotry” is a huge problem among liberals (more so than say..this?)
Posted by nadia | November 9, 2008, 5:15 amDoug, damn, are you stupid or something? You don’t know how to use google and type in
obama fried chicken
????? Use your head. I promise it doesn’t hurt. I ain’t gotta be doing your homework.
Chicago Sun Times:
“Obama tells Blacks: Shape up”
February 29, 2008
FORT WORTH, Texas — On the campaign trail, Democratic front-runner Sen. Barack Obama talks about how he would use the bully pulpit if president, and he offered a demonstration Thursday when he drew wild cheers as he told a mostly African-American crowd that parents need to shape up, turn off the TV, help their kids with their homework and stop letting them grow fat eating Popeyes chicken for breakfast.
“It’s not good enough for you to say to your child, ‘Do good in school,’ and then when that child comes home, you got the TV set on, you got the radio on, you don’t check their homework, there is not a book in the house, you’ve got the video game playing,” said Obama while in Beaumont, in southeast Texas.
“So turn off the TV set, put the video game away. Buy a little desk or put that child by the kitchen table. Watch them do their homework. If they don’t know how to do it, give them help. If you don’t know how to do it, call the teacher. Make them go to bed at a reasonable time. Keep them off the streets. Give ‘ em some breakfast. Come on. … You know I am right.”
Can change happen with words? That’s a core question being raised about the Obama candidacy.
“I’ve got to talk about us a little bit,” said Obama. “We can’t keep on feeding our children junk all day long, giving them no exercise. They are overweight by the time they are 4 or 5 years old, and then we are surprised when they get sick.”
Obama — who exercises and is careful about what he eats — said obese children need to improve their nutrition habits, invoking the name of a chain that makes delicious fried chicken.
“I know how hard it is to get kids to eat properly,” Obama said. “But I also know that if folks letting our children drink eight sodas a day, which some parents do, or, you know, eat a bag of potato chips for lunch, or Popeyes for breakfast.
“Y’all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y’all you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That’s why y’all laughing. … You can’t do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school.”
Obama has delivered “tough love” messages before about personal responsibility, but he seemed to revel in his “truth-telling” while campaigning in Beaumont, on a day that also took him to Austin and Fort Worth in advance of Tuesday’s crucial primaries.
As Obama stumped in the Lone Star State to Texas-size crowds — he packed in 13,000 people at the convention center here Thursday night — his campaign was downplaying any presumption that he will emerge in a few days as the all-but-certain Democratic nominee.
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton “is working tirelessly, as is Bill Clinton, in both Ohio and Texas; these races are extraordinarily tight,” Obama said during a press conference on his plane en route to Beaumont. The Obama team was shocked to lose the New Hampshire primary in January, and since then, Obama has curbed the bravado that bubbled up in the Granite State.
Obama resisted an invitation by a reporter to write the Clinton campaign obituary. Said Obama, “Remember New Hampshire?”
Posted by Freddy | November 9, 2008, 6:27 amSean, yours is the credited response. Kudos.
Qui Qui, you’re going to have to do better than this if you want to have any credibility about race in general or Obama’s presidency in particular.
Salma…..Jesus.
Posted by publius | November 9, 2008, 7:39 amSince none of you Arabs on here know what hip-hop is all about.
Immortal Technique:
Q- You’re voting Obama?
A- I don’t think that man is Black Jesus. I think he’s Black Caesar.
Posted by Fuck Barack Obama | November 9, 2008, 8:16 am“just exercised our right to express our opinion that it is asshole behavior.”
amen
thanks for the golden post sean.
Posted by Mo | November 9, 2008, 10:46 amI totally agree that teenage girls should finish college and avoid having babies out of wedlock….. whatever colour their skin is!
Greetings from New Zealand.
Posted by Glennis | November 9, 2008, 12:15 pmYo Freddy, you might want to take a look in the mirror before you start insulting people.
Obama was referencing obese children and fried chicken, not chasting blacks for feeding their kids fried chicken for breakfast. So unless you have something else, you, my friend, appear to be quick- to-scream ‘racism’ moron.
Are you really Qui Qui writing under a pen name?
Posted by Doug | November 9, 2008, 6:07 pmNadia, I am curious why you put “anti white anti male bigotry” in quotes. Do you deny that it exists, or that it’s a problem among liberals, because I can go onto Huffpo or any other supposedly liberal site and find hundreds of examples in seconds.
But to answer your question I don’t think bigoted attitudes against whites by liberals or by minorities have the same impact as bigoted attitudes towards blacks by mainstream society. This is because there are more whites than blacks, and whites on the whole have more power and control than blacks. On the national, societal level bigotry against whites will not have as much impact as bigotry against blacks. But on the individual level, where white people find themselves the victim of racist violence or racist/classist discrimination by so-called liberals as I have, it can be every bit as bad if not worse than what black people experience.
It’s funny but after writing that comment and reading yours, I started thinking about a racist song every black kid in my neighborhood knew and which was often sung to me at school or particularly on the bus coming home from school. So I googled the lyrics and found this:
http://tinyurl.com/64w7ao
Not sure if this will take you to the right spot on that book but go to the part where it says
“Ungawa, Black Power.
Destroy, white boy.”
and read the commentary below it. This was the song that was sung to me so many times I remember the lyrics to this day, though the lyrics were slightly different from what he has here. The author makes the assertion that black kids singing racist songs like this were not likely to act out with violence against whites, though my scars would definitely argue otherwise. He also states that many white liberal academicians like himself had hostile attitudes towards whites and that these attitudes were not only shared by many in the Black Power movement, but actively projected onto black children, who were depicted as “avatars” of “Black Rage.”
I know from the extreme violence and racist harassment I endured that those kids where more than just “avatars” of anti-white hostility, they were active participants in anti-white violence and racism and it is not unreasonable to assume that based on what this guy is writing here, they may have been encouraged on some levels to be that way by the Black Power movement and white liberals. The result for me was a living hell.
During that time no one in the school administration would help me. They wouldn’t even let me go out through an unused exit which would have enabled me to avoid most if not all of the abuse I suffered, but instead forced me to exit with everyone else which is when most of the abuse occurred. I can’t imagine to this day what kind of an individual would force a child to go through something like that, knowing what was going to happen, or the kind of philosophy that would justify such a decision.
So I tend to take a dim view of those who would minimize the reality or impact of anti-white, anti-working class bigotry among liberals or anyone else because for me, they were hard realities carved on my face so I will never forget them.
Posted by Sean | November 9, 2008, 8:27 pmQui-You are the type that is NEVER happy. You are an angry person. Get real-he has the sense to tell the truth and try to better society. You just want to pull others down.
Posted by Anonymous | November 11, 2008, 1:33 pmHow is it nonsense to say that one of the most important things that could be done to stay out of poverty is to finish high school and not have babies as a teen or low income single woman? All of the poor people I know, except for those who are homeless due to mental illness or drug abuse are either high school dropouts, have been pregnant out of wedlock or both. This is also true of the poor people in my extended family.
And note that I am talking about people whose income is below the poverty line, NOT working class.
I realize these are not the only causes of poverty (there are other causes like divorce, mental illness, getting laid off, etc) but they are two of the major causes. By the way, I am liberal, but I will not sugar coat the truth. There is nothing racist about the facts that I stated. There are many black people like me who do not act like this and many whites who do (one only needs to watch an episode of Maury, COPS, or Jerry Springer to know this).
Posted by Lili | November 11, 2008, 5:52 pmUm, how would people have reacted if Obama had told white springbreaking co-eds to cover up their chests?
Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2008, 5:42 amIt’s racist because no one dared say to or about Bristol Palin and her boyfriend what white supremacist politicians (including Barack Obama) routinely say about young African Americans. Personally I much prefer looking at stylish young African Americans who put a lot of thought into their outfits (and whose styles are always copies by mainstream suburban white kids) than look at overweight white Americans poorly dressed and shopping at Wal-Mart. Do you think Obama will speak out on my behalf?
Posted by Anonymous | November 12, 2008, 8:30 amThe man does not become president of the United States without forging allegiances with the existing power structure. I think a sobered view of the presidential terrain is helpful, but the real slap in the face is the lack of appreciation for how far African-Americans have come. I’m particularly sensitive to the opening blog entry that makes a thinly veiled attempt to pit African-Americans against Obama. Fact is, any black person over 40 would say the same damn thing. Doesn’t make it right, but are we to assume that the black community is then chock-full of Uncle Toms?
Despite our ongoing struggles, African-Americans have more political power in the U.S. than any other ethnic group, and seeing that power fully leveraged for a presidential candidate who doesn’t (and can’t) at the outset step outside of the center-right framework scares the shit out of people. Those tears from from black folks on election night in Grant Park, the screaming white, Latino, and Asian kids, the people dancing in the streets in Kenya — the latent symbolism scares people on the left because this is being framed as the progressive moment we’ve been waiting for. Interest groups on the left are scared that they are on the outside looking in. Give the man a chance before you erect the wall of oppostion. He’s the most progressive candidate we’ve fielded since Carter, maybe since Lyndon Johnson. And he fucking won! Take a moment to process that… There is a difference between sobriety and cynicism. One is helpful, the other is not. I maintain that the core weakness of the left is the inability to be constructive and/or pragmatic, or appreciative of progress. Obama is now arguably the most powerful man in the world, and I haven’t seen anyone even remotely progressive operating in that capacity in my lifetime. Stay sober, but get some god damn perspective.
Posted by George | November 12, 2008, 8:46 amWhat the above poster said. Perspective is key.
“”
Um, how would people have reacted if Obama had told white springbreaking co-eds to cover up their chests?”"
They’re not trying to get a job while on Spring Break. They can switch on the bourgeois values when they need to. Hell, that’s what everyone does. The problem is that many poor people (black, white, brown, or green) are growing up in broken homes and communities where they don’t get the chance to absorb the bourgeois values that’ll lead to success in life.
Posted by Joe | November 12, 2008, 11:10 pmsean- you still don’t understand the point I was making about those British fuckers. While I don’t find it appropriate to engage in public sexual activity anywhere, what made them assholes worthy of punishment is their disrespect and sense of superiority. Why should they care about the local laws? Why should they respect those in control (Arabs)? I think this stems largely from an imperial legacy that has beat a sense of superiority into their psyches. It’s not because they’re white, and definitely not because they’re poor (as I’ve repeatedly said).
As far as the Obama pants thing goes… he’s right, assuming the term ‘brothers’ transcends race. If he or anyone else thinks someone who’s pants hang low is inconsiderate that person is a fool. Having said that, there are some who push the boundary so much that they are assholes (I’m not trying to see any dude’s ass regardless whether or not it’s covered by his boxer shorts… at the very least his shirt needs to cover that shit up). I personally think they look like idiots… This goes deeper than black people or black culture.
Posted by Kalash | November 13, 2008, 8:48 pmPants, guys. Pants. Pulling your pants up. Black people. With their pants sagging. Why are there essays posted on this subject?
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Posted by defrhpc | June 13, 2009, 7:10 pmIn Britain wehre I live, the ones with their arses hanging out are usually white. Does this mean i can tell them to pull their trousers up? I can promise you they look just as stupid as they would if they were green ,pink, or black or stripey. The attitude they convey is the same. I suspect that some of the "racists" who want blacks in the US to pull their pants up, are not racists they are attitudists. and perhaps, it is the dislike of this particular attitude that riles the university leftists.
Posted by ingegard | May 6, 2010, 12:36 amIn Britain wehre I live, the ones with their arses hanging out are usually white. Does this mean i can tell them to pull their trousers up? I can promise you they look just as stupid as they would if they were green ,pink, or black or stripey. The attitude they convey is the same. I suspect that some of the "racists" who want blacks in the US to pull their pants up, are not racists they are attitudists. and perhaps, it is the dislike of this particular attitude that riles the university leftists.
Posted by ingegard | May 6, 2010, 12:36 amAs for the "British fuckers" mentioned by Kalash, i think its probably unlikely that they have their attitude from Empire, its more likely they are simply ignorant scum, as most of my fellow countrymen are these days , since we have abolished education and good manners and decency , in favour of doing whatever the fuck you like.
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