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Quite amazing that this found its way onto mainstream US television and (I hope) some further evidence that Zionism’s ideological hegemony over Western media may be dissolving.
Except for the uncritical tacit endorsement of Livni’s bona fides as a settlement-remover.
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Posted by John1055 | June 30, 2009, 4:28 amYes, every story from an Israeli perspective is due to a Zionist conspiracy.
Every story about an opposing perspective is because the Zionist forces who pull all the strings let something slip by.
Conspiracy theory, much?
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 8:08 amJesus an ideology’s dominance in the current political discourse does not equal a conspiracy theory.
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 8:22 amThere is no denying that the Zionist perspective is the dominant perspective in the US media in regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Learn about it:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565
Posted by Michael | January 26, 2009, 10:21 amWe need to remember most of the Arabs on this blog grew up in MENA schools reading the “Protocols” to learn about the Jews. In addition, the humiliating and total defeats of Arab armies in 48, 67, 73 have played into a traditional Arab psyche of suspicion that the Jews do not play “fair”. After all, how else do you justify losing to Jews, who the Koran calls weak and inferior dhimmies, and who the Muslims spit on for a thousand years.
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 10:43 amI’m not an Arab and I’ve never read the Protocols. In fact I highly doubt any kabober has read the Protocols, much less the reader base of this blog.
Furthermore, if you knew anything about Islam, the Qur’an states the Jews are a people of the book.
2:62: “Those who believe, and those who are Jewish, and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.”
This is taught in all elementary college level classes on Islam. And in Islamic “sunday” schools across the world. Furthermore, the Qur’an never mentions the term dhimmi, the term is an innovation implemented by later rulers who sought to create an Arab dominated government in the Middle Ages. (a thousand years ago) Furthermore, how would you justify the universal Palestinian Christian objection to Israeli policies.
So you can take your baseless lies elsewhere. This conflict has nothing to do with “Arabs losing to Jews” nor is about an ancient conflict between “Muslims and Jews.” This conflict is about human rights which the Apartheid Israeli regime has no respect for.
End the occupation, end the blockade, then and only then will Israel be able to end its endemic problem. I’m sorry to tell Israel that you can’t bomb freedom away, and that negotiations take place between enemies, not friends.
Next time you make an argument, actually make an argument rather than slandering the people you are talking against.
Posted by Super Sayyin | January 26, 2009, 11:49 amYou’ve completely deflected the conversation. “negotiations happen between enemies, not friends”. oh give me a break with your college polisci prep course nonsense
the point being made was that Arabs are conspiratorial about the jews because they don’t understand how they can continually get their asses whopped by such a small and weak people. This conspiracy is something Will has written about on this blog.
Your quotes of Quran notwishtanding, there are plenty of other quotes in Quran about why you must kill a Jew, and how when you go to kill the Jew, wherever he hides, a rock, a tree, etc., that object will scream, “Muslim, the Jew hides behind me, kill him”. That sounds like pretty clear instructions to me. People of the book. Yeah, ok. So the Jews of Arabia who were exterminated by the Muslims when they refused to convert? How many “people of the book” were put to the sword by the “religion of peace”. And this is not ancient history.
Just two hundred years ago there was a very famous case in Morocco of a Jew with a beautiful voice. The local ruler wanted him to convert to Islam so that he could be the one to call Muslims to prayer. The Jew refused, and was given a choice to go up the minarette, accept Islam and call the Muslims to prayer or die on the spot. The Jew went up the minarette, sang “Shma Yisroel” and jumped off to his death. This incident was well recorded and publicized to Jews everywhere.
To compensate for their failure, Arab societies have devised a range of psychological defense mechanisms to blame their defeats on something other than them – the “Zionist lobby” being a case in point. jewish lobby is anti-semitic, but “Zionist” lobby sounds so sinister without offending anyone’s sensibilities.
The all powerful “lobby” that controls all the media and government in the world, except those who valiantly break through the lobby’s grasp. Please, that’s pathetic and straight out of Protocols.
There are 12 million Jews in the world. That’s it. 12 million people is one neighborhood in Shanghai. So 12 million Jews control the entire world? And then you wonder why everyone treats you like idiots.
You want to talk about lobbies? There isn’t an Arab lobby, representing a population of 300 million people, that controls 40% of the world’s energy resources and uses the profits to fund terrorism against Western interests?
There isn’t a Muslim lobby, representing 1 Billion people, who riot and burn down embassies and pledge eternal war against non-Muslims when they don’t like cartoons or books or movies they don’t agree with?
Let’s remember what the real lobbies in the world are – and it’s not one of 12 million Jews, dispersed across every continent, living normal lives and dealing with normal problems, who are the “lobby” we should be worried about. Do you even understand how ridiculous you idiots sound?
“the lobby”. give me a break
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 12:26 pm“Your quotes of Quran notwishtanding, there are plenty of other quotes in Quran about why you must kill a Jew, and how when you go to kill the Jew, wherever he hides, a rock, a tree, etc., that object will scream, “Muslim, the Jew hides behind me, kill him”. That sounds like pretty clear instructions to me. People of the book.”
Find me that quote in the Qur’an. Oh wait you cant! It doesen’t exist. Don’t make up verses to prove your retarded argument.
“The all powerful “lobby” that controls all the media and government in the world, except those who valiantly break through the lobby’s grasp. Please, that’s pathetic and straight out of Protocols.”
No one said that, only you implied that. What has been stated is that groups like AIPAC have a considerable amount of influence over Mid East news coverage, this is not disputed.
“So 12 million Jews control the entire world?”
Once again the only person presenting this argument is you. No one on Kabobfest has ever insinuated such a lie.
“There isn’t a Muslim lobby, representing 1 Billion people”
No there isin’t. Muslims don’t even have a Pope to guide them. Muslims in Nigeria face different problems than Muslims in Indonesia, speak completely different languages, interpret Islam differently, and have different world views, on top of turning to different leadership. This applies to all countries where Muslims are a majority or minority.
“There isn’t an Arab lobby, representing a population of 300 million people, that controls 40% of the world’s energy resources and uses the profits to fund terrorism against Western interests?”
Keep bringing the conspiracy theories.
Why don’t you travel to the Muslim world, and learn whats really going on. After you’ve gone from Nigeria to Indonesia write a book about it =P
Posted by Arayus | January 26, 2009, 1:38 pmThe Lobby …
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 3:07 pmArayus, here is a link to a sermon that incorporates those words.
Admittedly I am not an expert in Quran, so I leave it to the experts.
Or perhaps this expert?
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 5:42 pmJust saw the video. I think this was a great piece, and extremely important for Jews everywhere to see. I am a Jew and I am proud of Jews like that woman in the video. She’s right, we Jews need to be stubborn like donkeys. There is no need for violence or anger, just stubborn will.
I don’t want ethnic cleansing or apartheid, so I guess that means we’re all getting tossed in the same boat. It won’t be easy, and it won’t come quickly, but this is the only solution and whoever among you was dreaming of a racially pure Palestine can go to Jordan.
Israel is not a Jewish state because the government is Jewish. It not a Jewish government. It is a majority Jewish government that uses Jewish symbols, but it is a secular, democratic government.
Despite what they say, I think most Palestinians are still thinking in terms of 2 state. They threaten 1 state, but they don’t really conceptualize it. Once they do, it will be an earthquake through the West Bank. Parties like Fatah and Hamas will be thrown to the dustbin of history.
Posted by Anonymous | January 26, 2009, 9:01 pm“but this is the only solution and whoever among you was dreaming of a racially pure Palestine can go to Jordan.”
Sorry to bust your bubble but all the advocates of 1-state here don’t necessarily want anyone to leave. They just want equal rights for everyone and compensation for those that have lost their homes and property.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 3:38 am“compensation for those that have lost their homes and property”
and also, stop stealing it.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 3:40 amQQ just wrote a post about ethnically cleansing the Jews and sending them to Texas. this is why no Jews trust you. Right now they can transfer all your asses, but are they doing it? no. if the situation was reversed, i’m not so sure. look at hebron, look at gaza, look at jerusalem. when you had your chance you took it
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 7:55 am“compensation”
Yes, let’s get everyone compensated. I never hear specifics about this. of course the Arabs have that oil money now. Obviously the EU and US will throw in a few billion. How much should they be asked to dish out for this compensation? half a million to each refugee family? that should be enough to buy a chunk of land somewhere in ME and build a house
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 7:58 am700,000 original refugees. that’s about what, 100,000 families? 200,000?
half a million dollars per family, that’s $100,000,000,000. one hundred billion dollars… wtf? that doesn’t sound reasonable
obviously there are more families now, and as soon as this is announced there will be some fast track marriages to take advantage.
So, the US will throw in $20 Billion, the EU will throw in $20 Billion. and the Arabs pay $60 billion for putting the Palis through all this shit by refusing to settle them, training them for 60 yeas of war, funding their terrorist armies that kept war and suffering going, etc.
That almost sounds fair. The Palis will be the richest m’fucking people in the ME.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 8:05 amOnce again, show me the verse in the Qur’an asking Muslims to kill Jews.
I could find tons of Rabbi’s calling for the extermination of Muslims or Arabs (not to mention Israeli ministers). Will I find that in the Torah? No. Just like you won’t find similar verses asking Muslims to exterminate Jews in the Qur’an.
Furthermore, most references to Jews in the Qur’an are in reference to the Hebrews that Moses took out of Egypt.
I highly suggest you take an Islam 101 course at your local community college.
Here is an online translation of the Qur’an:
http://free-minds.org/quran/PM/2
Find me the verse you quoted above (you know the one where the rocks and tree’s will call out to the Muslims saying “here is a JEW kill him!”). I can’t seem to find this ridiculous verse =P
Posted by Arayus | January 27, 2009, 11:49 amArayus, you should contact those imams and ask where they got those verses. Why should the burden be on me, a Jew who never opened a Quran, to do anything?
Do I go around accusing Sikhs of plotting to murder Jews? No, because they don’t do it, and they don’t give sermons encouraging their followers to do it.
I am listening with my ears and watching with my eyes what the leaders of the Muslims are saying to their people. One of the links I gave you was for one of the head religious leaders of Hamas. They say “if you see a Jew kill him”, that this is “the most blessed thing”.
I have NEVER heard a Rabbi, much less a respected one, give a sermon along the lines of “if you see a Muslim kill him” or that at the end of days we’re going to go around killing Muslims.
The burden is on the muslims to show they are a religion of peace, not on a Jew to prove in religious legal terms that an imam is saying something against Hadith.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 1:23 pmAnonymous said…
“I have NEVER heard a Rabbi, much less a respected one, give a sermon along the lines of “if you see a Muslim kill him”
And you have Never found a verse in the Qur’an about killings Jews just because their Jews.
Imams Aren’t leaders of anything, they have opinions like anyone else and like everyone else they make mistakes, it’s funny that video is only a small portion , I bet if you watched the whole thing, instead of watching something chopped up and out of context.
“and who the Muslims spit on for a thousand years.”
Not true, name this endless war/conflict Muslims and Jews have? Go learn some history, go read about the Balfour declaration, and how the British destroyed the Middle east. Britain conceived a demon, America gave birth to it, and the Zionist kill for it.
Serious Jews know that Israel is not suppose to exist, until their messiah comes, and that they can’t willfully take it by force like they’ve done, look it up.
http://www.nkusa.org
Jews poured into Islamic states and Arab countries when the Catholic Church launched the Crusades (The Crusades was the church’s Holy war, Holy war was invented by The Catholics) They were killings Jews in droves because they wanted the holy land of Jerusalem. Jews sought protection from MUSLIMS.
Jews poured into Arab countries when Hitler came after them. They sought protection from MUSLIMS, when the catholic church didn’t say anything, cause Hitler was catholic.
Also most Arab countries have dictators that America has but into power and funded, dictators they know will cause chaos and bloodshed in order for Illuminati controlled America to have excuses to spend billions on weapons and WARS.
Stop watching corporate news, make up your own opinions by finding out things for yourself, make up your own mind, and look at things from both sides of the spectrum.
I can tell you get your info from places that have a bias against Muslims, by the way you spelled Qur’an sure there isn’t a word for it in English so it’s phonetically translated but I’ve come not to trust anything where Qur’an is spelled koran.
Posted by RandomReader | January 27, 2009, 6:46 pmOk, you definitely lost me with “Illuminati controlled America”. I was with you to that point… you were going and going, and then you dropped off a cliff.
Your lack of mental development is a threat to mankind.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 9:57 pmArayus, dont fucking talk about the “quran” like you know it. you dont know crappp. you dont even know your OWN book.
you cant take one verse and make out a story out of it.
i have respect for all books. and just because i dont stand by particular one doesnt mean its wrong.
your so darn childish, geez go read something useful.
now the video, like wow, soldiers occupying bed rooms of random ppl, and buildings? im not surprised but i am discusted.
Posted by Anonymous | January 27, 2009, 11:47 pmYour lack of mental development is a threat to mankind.
Ok, you definitely lost me with “Illuminati controlled America”. I was with you to that point…
My lack of mental Development yet you got lost when you read something new, that’s what I mean criticizing people because your to naive to learn anything outside of what you’ve learned in school.
Most educated people know things aren’t what they seem on the surface, that things are manipulated for the means of anothers gain.
(Learn about the french revolution, and find out that one family was funding both sides, a great example of whats not taught to people in school, the truth.)
Accusing people of not knowing their own book, yet you’ve haven’t backed up your statements about said book.
Before you speak about something, stop and try to understand someone’s is view even if you don’t agree with it you’ve to look at things both ways.
Posted by Anonymous | January 28, 2009, 3:11 am“when you read something new”
I can go to any mental institution and “read something new”. You must realize you are part of a radical, extreme fringe. You may find some comfort from the likes of QQ, but you’ll get a fist full of shit from me. I’m tired of people with no control over their lives, who have done nothing even remotely positive for humanity, inventing conspiracy theories about how the world works. You’re a tool, a pawn, a little bitch who is talking about secret “illuminati” cults controlling America.
Do you know why you speak this way? You’ve never done ANYTHING in politics. You’ve never talked to a single politician. You don’t know how democracy works, how the American government functions, and you don’t want to know. You wrap yourself in ignorance, claiming stupidity as a blanket from truth.
The world is more complicated than your oyster omelet, you little laptop warrior bitch. Open yourself up to reality.
Posted by Anonymous | January 28, 2009, 7:00 amHow Democracy works…
Who invented democracy? The greeks who by the way persecuted some of its leading intellectuals, putting back the course of science 1,500 years.
As well as inspiring the West, Athenian democracy was built on slavery and was the place that first introduced the full face veil for women.
And where is their so called civilization now? Perished, Extinct!!!
"I can go to any mental institution and "read something new"."
"you little laptop warrior bitch."
Resorting to insults and name calling a classic tactic of one who's intellectual level is far below the college reading level.
"Open yourself up to reality."
"secret "illuminati" cults controlling America."
Open myself to reality yeah I Have, that's why I know that this so called democratic system is nonsense because:
George Washington, 1st President Freemason
James Monroe, 5th President – Freemason
Andrew Jackson, 7th President – Freemason
James Knox Polk, 11th President – Freemason
James Buchanan, 15th President –
Freemason
Fast forward in time..
Bill Clinton, 42nd President -
Freemason and Rhodes scholar
George W. Bush, 43 – 44th President – Skull & Bones
(John Kerry, Skull & Bones.)
Don't believe the list…
http://www.pagrandlodge.org/mlam/presidents/washington.html
Posted by RandomReader | January 28, 2009, 2:46 pmBut I digress… You still haven’t show proof for your earlier claims.
Posted by RandomReader | January 28, 2009, 2:48 pm*** George W. bush was not the 44th president, as seeing as Barack Hussein Obama is.
Posted by RandomReader | January 28, 2009, 2:53 pmRandomReader,
As stated earlier, “Your lack of mental development is a threat to mankind.” That’s really far too kind of me, but I pity you. Be good.
Posted by Anonymous | January 28, 2009, 10:35 pmYet you avoid answering the question yet another post.
P.S I’ll always be good!
Posted by RandomReader | January 29, 2009, 2:13 pm“I have NEVER heard a Rabbi, much less a respected one, give a sermon along the lines of “if you see a Muslim kill him” or that at the end of days we’re going to go around killing Muslims.”
Oh really?
Here is an Israeli government minister someone who has a lot of power in the state of Israel threatening a “shoah” aka Holocaust on the Palestinians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/29/israelandthepalestinians1
This is on top of the fact that the Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi in Israel advocates the relocation of the Palestinians to the Sinai Desert as a “just” solution to the conflict.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/948907.html
“you cant take one verse and make out a story out of it.”
but you can? I Actually studied the Qur’an, talked with countless Muslims about these issues. Even Al-Qaeda leaders don’t take the verses of the Qur’an to justify what they do, they use political arguements to justify their barbarity.
“Why should the burden be on me, a Jew who never opened a Quran, to do anything?”
Exactly, you’ve never opened the Qur’an yet you have an opinion on it. The burden is on you to open it, read it, study it if your going to come online and try to make arguments about it and demonize an entire people based on your propaganda.
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