thought it was a pro-racism event.
Following on Kalash’s post…
The orgasmic outrage against Ahmedinejad’s speech is a farce. The diplomats who walked out and boycotted the conference are the same who propagated lies and based invasions on them. Even worse, they come from countries enriched by and built on legacies of racism. Yet, they care so deeply about holocaust-denial. Why? Because they deny the ones they perpetrated. Israel’s hypocrisy is that is wants to be a Jewish state and NOT be perceived as racist. Sorry, but you can’t have it both ways.
In 2003, when then-US Secretary of State Colin Powell presented to the United Nations Security Council the proof of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, none of the states standing against the conference, raised a peep of protest. It was full of more falsehoods and inaccuracies than Ahmedinejad’s, yet it was met by applause and criminal complicity. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have paid with their lives. That is the most recent holocaust the West denies.
Many of the states that boycotted the conference or walked out, joined in the subsequent invasion, and are still in fact occupying Iraq and/or Afghanistan. In other words, they are too full of shit, too discredited to have any credible position on ethnic hatred — the war on terror has been racist to its core, privileging Western lives over brown, Muslim ones. British and American “security” was deemed worth the lives of untold numbers of Iraqis, Afghans, Somalis, and so on. That is essentially racist.
Most of the outrage came from the most racist countries in history — none of which have really done anything about their legacies of enslavement, colonization, and imperialism. And the reality of present-day racism is something they cannot even discuss.
Spain raped and massacred the natives of the Americas, as did the British. The British, the French, and the United States were grotesque in their racist butchery all around the world — from the Americas, to India, Algeria, Vietnam, and the list goes on much longer. The British were so damn racist, they even hated, killed and tortured the Irish and the Scots. Australia boycotted, as well. What a surprise! Just ask the nearly extinct aborigines about Australian racism.
I am starting to think they all took advantage of the Israel problem as a pretense to not show up. After all, the framework was narrowed dramatically to exclude any discussion of Israel-Palestine and the Palestine-related side events were canceled two weeks ago. In other words, the Zio-farts got what they wanted, and several western states still didn’t show. The slightly more liberal ones, like France did, and just walked out when Ahmedinejad spoke. The French ambassador actually defended the conference in general, to be fair.
So the Iranian leader, as oppressive a system as he represents, is in a much more credible position than any of the boycotters to speak on matters of racism. And that is ultimately why the rest of the world — the people who actually suffer from racism and therefore know it best — will nod when Ahmedinejad speaks and show disdain towards their former masters.
The lunacy of denying that Zionism is racist is that this conference comes literally days after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demanded the Palestinians must recognize Israel as a Jewish state. How can a state that rules over a heterogeneous population be for just one of the groups and not be racist? This is especially so when the Jews were less than 10% of the population a century ago. They came to be a majority by colonial settling, forcing the natives out, and creating a state system to privilege themselves. This is pretty much the prototype of racist behavior.
And the Israeli leader has the gall to suggest that isn’t racist? What a joke! When Bibi said that, it was like an admission of racism. But it is too convenient to pretend it ain’t so.
Perhaps you will say Arabs and Jews are not different races, but that is not the crucial point since it is debatable and the real problem of racism is the oppression and chauvinism part. After all, Palestinians and Israelis are as different racially as the Dalits in India and the Roma in Europe, yet both of the latter groups are included in the conference.
The West and their media flotsam express outrage and disgust as they misrepresent Ahmedinejad’s points about the Jewish holocaust. They say he denies it. He does not, he says it does not justify the establishment of Israel (a point that inherently recognizes the holocaust happened). Whatever, Ahmedinjad is a scummy dude and shouldn’t be exploiting Palestinian suffering anyways. I wish he would have done the world a service and spoke about the imprisonment and impoverishment of African-Americans in the United States.
Instead, he gave credence to the United Nations’ cowardly exclusion of Palestinians from participation in a conference that they should be represented at. It shouldn’t dominate the agenda, since racism is a real problem almost everywhere. But excluding them strikes me as…. racist.
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So, you agree, then, that ethnic nationalisms are wrong? Or are you saying that because you support Israel's right to define itself and its forms of citizenship as Jewish (not Judaic–hence an ethnic and not religious category like Islamic), then you likewise support the hardest line elements of Hamas that would exclude Jews from citizenship in a future Palestinian state? See, the problem with the argument that you're implicitly making–that Israel gets to be repressive and racist because other Middle-Eastern states are repressive and racist–is that ultimately you're arguing for repression and racism. (And don't give me that crap about how you're just pointing out hypocrisy, because your argument is a tacit apologia for Israel and Israeli policies, and it's obvious). So unless you're willing to condemn Israeli policy in the same terms that you've used for Hamas and the Arab League, let me invite you to go fuck yourself.
Posted by David | April 22, 2009, 8:24 pmThe diplomats who walked out and boycotted the conference are the same who propagated lies and based invasions on them. Even if that were true (it is not, the intelligence was the same from many nations, no one "propagated lies") – since they were involved in invasions, they should sit and be compliant with a Ahmedinejad's racism and craziness? What kind of sense does that make?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 8:48 pmIt doesn't seem that you read the transcript… he does not start off by mentioning Israel. After his standard 'religious' spiel he talks in more general terms before coming to the UNSC. Only after that does he start getting into the racist roots of ZIonism (this is much deeper than the Israeli government or other world governments). He did not justify the boycott in anyway whatsoever, as there is no way for it to be justified. The points you make about diplomacy are all valid, but this was a forum on racism, and the fact is that the state of Israel is one of the most racist entities in the world today. While there are atrocities being committed on massive scales everywhere, the plight of the Palestinians is unique in the world today and the most recent comparable example was the apartheid regime in South Africa. Once again, he said nothing that is far from the truth (when it comes to Zionism and the state of Israel). I challenge you to point out something that suggests otherwise. I am not trying to defend the guy – I don't like him – but he speaks the truth when it comes to Israel. He is indeed a buffoon who does not understand the tact that should accompany diplomacy, but he says it like it is.
Posted by Kalash | April 22, 2009, 8:50 pmThe fact that Israel's main enemy since its beginning has been the Arabs does not make Israel racist. The Arabs are racist for hating the Jews and trying to destroy them. They have gone to war with Israel, lost repeatedly, and engaged in terrorism. Israel has not been under attack by non-Arabs, but has been attacked by Arab terrorists, and yet you whine about Palestinians not being able to come make themselves at home in the middle of Israel.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 8:54 pmRather, a better route of saying the same thing, but more acceptably, would have been to use generalized language which targets all occupying countries, of which there are several. So anyone at war with Arabs for any reason are racists? That's quite a stretch. Regardless of how far from the truth it is – it does fall onto the ears of millions, who believe this shit. So there is nothing similar about the Nazi attempts to exterminate Jews, and the Iranian madmans statements that Israel should be wiped off the map, his statement that Israel will be destroyed in a big fire like a dried tree, his denial of the Holocaust, and his sending weapons and support to those who kill Israelis? Nothing Nazi-ish about that at all?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 8:59 pmHow is the Iranian leader in a more credible position than anyone on earth to speak on racism, when he is the biggest racist of modern times? He hates Jews and he makes it obvious – he says that Israel should be wiped off the map, will be destroyed in a big fire like a dried tree – and he denies the Holocaust and holds "debates" about it. How would you feel if millions of your people had been systematically exterminated in camps designed to efficiently kill and dispose of people… and someone was constantly saying it never happened, it was exageratted, ect? Not only does he insult and rub salt in those wounds, he suggest another mass destruction of Jews in Israel. So no, Jewish lovers are not the only ones allowed… but suggesting that the main racist has more credibility to address racism than anyone else is ridiculous.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:05 pmBut there is reason to suspect that someone is Jew hater who denies the Holocaust, who constantly threatens destruction of the Jewish nation (even by a "giant fire" which makes it seem he is thinking about nukes) and someone who sends money and weapons to those who kill Jews such as Hamas and Hezbollah. Kabash you are trying to say that there is no reason to suspect Ahmedinejad of being a Jew-hater? SImply because he wants to destroy the Jewish nation and supports those who kill Jews? Nahhh. Simply because he denies the horrors of the Holocaust? Nahhh. Surely he really loves and respects the Jews, right? That's why he came to a conference about racism and spouted anti-Semiticism, right?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:09 pmWell said.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:12 pmBcell says that the Arabs are not really a race, so that CAN'T be racist. The Jews really are a race, and they are very racist and bad. Right. Arab State = not racist. Jewish State = racist.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:14 pmNice try at defending and supporting Hamas. Hamas are less like a government and more like a criminal gang. They are like a pathetic version of the Mafia. Hamas 'harming Gaza opponents' A rights group has accused Palestinian organisation Hamas of killing or maiming alleged collaborators and political opponents in Gaza. Rights group says Hamas beat man to death . The Palestinian Center for Human Rights says Jamil Assaf died Wednesday after he was beaten to death by security forces belonging to Hamas, the Islamic group ruling Gaza. Hamas militiamen beat, club Gaza protesters Islamic group bans rallies, other gatherings; militants seize media tapes List of Hamas suicide attacks What the Hamas Charter Says About Jews Hamas views all Jews, not just Israel or Zionism, as its enemies.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:27 pmNice try at defending and supporting Hamas. Hamas are less like a government and more like a criminal gang. They are like a pathetic version of the Mafia. Hamas 'harming Gaza opponents' A rights group has accused Palestinian organisation Hamas of killing or maiming alleged collaborators and political opponents in Gaza. Rights group says Hamas beat man to death . The Palestinian Center for Human Rights says Jamil Assaf died Wednesday after he was beaten to death by security forces belonging to Hamas, the Islamic group ruling Gaza. Hamas militiamen beat, club Gaza protesters Islamic group bans rallies, other gatherings; militants seize media tapes List of Hamas suicide attacks What the Hamas Charter Says About Jews Hamas views all Jews, not just Israel or Zionism, as its enemies.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:27 pmNice try at defending and supporting Hamas. Hamas are less like a government and more like a criminal gang. They are like a pathetic version of the Mafia. Hamas 'harming Gaza opponents' A rights group has accused Palestinian organisation Hamas of killing or maiming alleged collaborators and political opponents in Gaza. Rights group says Hamas beat man to death . The Palestinian Center for Human Rights says Jamil Assaf died Wednesday after he was beaten to death by security forces belonging to Hamas, the Islamic group ruling Gaza. Hamas militiamen beat, club Gaza protesters Islamic group bans rallies, other gatherings; militants seize media tapes List of Hamas suicide attacks What the Hamas Charter Says About Jews Hamas views all Jews, not just Israel or Zionism, as its enemies.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:27 pmNice try at defending and supporting Hamas. Hamas are less like a government and more like a criminal gang. They are like a pathetic version of the Mafia. Hamas 'harming Gaza opponents' A rights group has accused Palestinian organisation Hamas of killing or maiming alleged collaborators and political opponents in Gaza. Rights group says Hamas beat man to death . The Palestinian Center for Human Rights says Jamil Assaf died Wednesday after he was beaten to death by security forces belonging to Hamas, the Islamic group ruling Gaza. Hamas militiamen beat, club Gaza protesters Islamic group bans rallies, other gatherings; militants seize media tapes List of Hamas suicide attacks What the Hamas Charter Says About Jews Hamas views all Jews, not just Israel or Zionism, as its enemies.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:27 pmFUCK I卐RAEL, the last openly white-supremacist state on Earth. Best thing is to demand boycott against Israel. Period. It worked with Apartheid South Africa– which no longer exists to destroy millions of lives.
Posted by FUCK I卐RAEL | April 22, 2009, 9:29 pmYou make some very good posts. But even in the best case scenario, whatever future holds for any Hamas core ideological document, it will always be more racist than what Will would – in theory – accept if he applied the same standards to Israel. Excellent point. There is an obnoxious double standard being promoted. Great information clearing up the Hamas manifesto and charter issue.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:31 pmUS stands by two-state solution The Obama administration has renewed Washington's commitment to a two-state solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Obama invites Middle East heads US officials say the leaders of Israel, Egypt and the Palestinians have been invited for talks in Washington in a new push for Middle East peace. Palestinians discuss unity talks While rival Palestinian factions try to form a new national unity government at talks in Cairo, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank discuss the chances of their success and what they hope a new government would achieve.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:40 pmUS stands by two-state solution The Obama administration has renewed Washington's commitment to a two-state solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Obama invites Middle East heads US officials say the leaders of Israel, Egypt and the Palestinians have been invited for talks in Washington in a new push for Middle East peace. Palestinians discuss unity talks While rival Palestinian factions try to form a new national unity government at talks in Cairo, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank discuss the chances of their success and what they hope a new government would achieve.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:40 pmUS stands by two-state solution The Obama administration has renewed Washington's commitment to a two-state solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Obama invites Middle East heads US officials say the leaders of Israel, Egypt and the Palestinians have been invited for talks in Washington in a new push for Middle East peace. Palestinians discuss unity talks While rival Palestinian factions try to form a new national unity government at talks in Cairo, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank discuss the chances of their success and what they hope a new government would achieve.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:40 pmUS stands by two-state solution The Obama administration has renewed Washington's commitment to a two-state solution to the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. Obama invites Middle East heads US officials say the leaders of Israel, Egypt and the Palestinians have been invited for talks in Washington in a new push for Middle East peace. Palestinians discuss unity talks While rival Palestinian factions try to form a new national unity government at talks in Cairo, Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank discuss the chances of their success and what they hope a new government would achieve.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:40 pmArayus you might try actually reading and thinking about some of the material, instead of living in denial.
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:43 pmSo when Israeli Rabbi's make statements saying that all Palestinians must be cleansed from the land, or when IDF soldiers wear T-Shirts depicting the slaying of Pregnant Palestinian women its ok? Uh, no it's not OK? Why do you then say Furthermore as if you have made some point, when you have made no point at all? "whoops" has stated a fact that "Arab/Islamic portions of the Middle East are all incredibly racist and exclusionary. " Why does Israel not have to recognize the Palestinians but the Palestinians have to recognize the very same people that stole their land? Israel recognizes the Palestinians, what are you talking about? And Palestinians must recognize Israel, the whole point is that Hamas and other have denied the existence of the State of Israel and support any and all action against it. How are the Palestinians going to live in peace if they don't knock it off? When it comes to rhetoric both Hamas and the Israeli's are on equal ground, however when it comes to violent actions, the Israelis have a monopoly. That is completely and utterly wrong. First, Hamas and the Israeli government are not on equal ground, and to say that is ridiculous. Second, Israel does not have a monopoly on violence: Palestinian attacks. List of Hamas suicide attacks Why would you say something so completely untrue? Have you started to realize something yet?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:50 pmSo when Israeli Rabbi's make statements saying that all Palestinians must be cleansed from the land, or when IDF soldiers wear T-Shirts depicting the slaying of Pregnant Palestinian women its ok? Uh, no it's not OK? Why do you then say Furthermore as if you have made some point, when you have made no point at all? "whoops" has stated a fact that "Arab/Islamic portions of the Middle East are all incredibly racist and exclusionary. " Why does Israel not have to recognize the Palestinians but the Palestinians have to recognize the very same people that stole their land? Israel recognizes the Palestinians, what are you talking about? And Palestinians must recognize Israel, the whole point is that Hamas and other have denied the existence of the State of Israel and support any and all action against it. How are the Palestinians going to live in peace if they don't knock it off? When it comes to rhetoric both Hamas and the Israeli's are on equal ground, however when it comes to violent actions, the Israelis have a monopoly. That is completely and utterly wrong. First, Hamas and the Israeli government are not on equal ground, and to say that is ridiculous. Second, Israel does not have a monopoly on violence: Palestinian attacks. List of Hamas suicide attacks Why would you say something so completely untrue? Have you started to realize something yet?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:50 pmSo when Israeli Rabbi's make statements saying that all Palestinians must be cleansed from the land, or when IDF soldiers wear T-Shirts depicting the slaying of Pregnant Palestinian women its ok? Uh, no it's not OK? Why do you then say Furthermore as if you have made some point, when you have made no point at all? "whoops" has stated a fact that "Arab/Islamic portions of the Middle East are all incredibly racist and exclusionary. " Why does Israel not have to recognize the Palestinians but the Palestinians have to recognize the very same people that stole their land? Israel recognizes the Palestinians, what are you talking about? And Palestinians must recognize Israel, the whole point is that Hamas and other have denied the existence of the State of Israel and support any and all action against it. How are the Palestinians going to live in peace if they don't knock it off? When it comes to rhetoric both Hamas and the Israeli's are on equal ground, however when it comes to violent actions, the Israelis have a monopoly. That is completely and utterly wrong. First, Hamas and the Israeli government are not on equal ground, and to say that is ridiculous. Second, Israel does not have a monopoly on violence: Palestinian attacks. List of Hamas suicide attacks Why would you say something so completely untrue? Have you started to realize something yet?
Posted by eagle007blogger | April 22, 2009, 9:50 pmAs usual you didn't address a thing I stated Eagle.
Posted by Arayus | April 22, 2009, 10:03 pmBut they have to be compliant with other leaders who are guilty of far worse crimes than Ahmedinjad?
Posted by Arayus | April 22, 2009, 10:05 pmLike what Eagle? Are you suggesting I spew right wing nut job and Zionist sources like you do? Or should I deny that the brutal Israeli occupation of Palestine exists, something you have said is debatable.
Posted by Arayus | April 22, 2009, 10:09 pmAnd Israel has continually denied the existence of the Palestinians. Whats your point? Why do the Palestinian have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state when they are the indigenous population of the land? Furthermore, why does Israel not have to recognize the Palestinian state or right to a state? Your hypocrisy is getting you no where. As for attacks, Hamas can't even come close to drawing as much blood as the Israelis have, for you to even suggest otherwise is completely retarded. Just look at the invasion of Gaza: 1400 dead Palestinians (mostly civilians) 13 dead Israelis (mostly soldiers). Point in case.
Posted by Arayus | April 22, 2009, 10:11 pmHeres a copy of Ahmedinajads speech please show me where he spit out anti-semitism. If you are going to critique him do it correctly. ” target=”_blank”>http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1…
Posted by Arayus | April 23, 2009, 12:10 amHeres a copy of Ahmedinajads speech please show me where he spit out anti-semitism. If you are going to critique him do it correctly. ” target=”_blank”>http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1…
Posted by Arayus | April 23, 2009, 12:10 amHeres a copy of Ahmedinajads speech please show me where he spit out anti-semitism. If you are going to critique him do it correctly. ” target=”_blank”>http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1…
Posted by Arayus | April 23, 2009, 12:10 amHeres a copy of Ahmedinajads speech please show me where he spit out anti-semitism. If you are going to critique him do it correctly. ” target=”_blank”>http://votersforpeace.us/press/index.php?itemid=1…
Posted by Arayus | April 23, 2009, 12:10 amThey are not verses from the Qur'an BCell. So its not even an issue of mistranslation or neglect. Whoops, entire argument depends on analyzing the rhetoric of the opposing sides rather than looking at the reality of the situation. This is aside from the fact that Hamas does not campaign on its original charter anymore and has removed all clauses calling for the destruction of Israel.
Posted by Arayus | April 22, 2009, 8:15 pmAre you our news caster now?
Posted by Arayus | April 23, 2009, 12:15 amBullcrap Eddie! I guess you're not an Arab in Israel, are you? You're probably living a nice comfortable life in Tel Aviv or Acre or Haifa, which were all Palestinian cities until you invaded them, took them over and called them Israel. The ground Israel is built on is Palestine. Try being an Arab in Israel for a day and you'll be surprised how bogus and ridiculous you're "Arabs have the same rights as any other citizen" argument really is. If Israel is a democracy, why did it not allow Arab Parties from participating in the recent elections? Why did Netayahu put a man in office who wants to deport me and my family, citizen of Israel who live in Galilee, from "our own country" simply because we're Arabs? You are an ignorant man when it comes to the state you seem to defend so well with the lies you've probably been told since you were a kid. Learn what really happens on the ground and then let's talk.
Posted by Hasan Abdel Rahman | April 23, 2009, 2:33 amIt's funny you talk about the United Nations as if Israel actually gives a DAMN about the UN. Israel only cares about the UN when it suits it purposes (like the Partition of Palestine and the recognition of Israel). Other than that, Israel could care less about the UN. How many UN resolutions has been passed condemning Israel? Go and count them! How many times has the UN come out to condemn Israel and its actions in the Occupies Territories? Oh, the Palestinians will establish a state alright. It will be called Israel and it will have a Palestinian Majority. Give it time brother. The 2 state solution will never work and the Israelis will be forced, after putting it off for so long, to accept the One State Solution. It'll be a sad day . . . for YOUR Jewish state! The 1st shall be last and the last shall be first!
Posted by Marshall Owens | April 23, 2009, 2:40 amI just think it is not important to bring up the Holocaust at the conference. He should focus on racism today. There is plenty of current issues, which includes the Palestinians. Why doesn't he talk about the siege of Gaza or the checkpoints and land expropriation in the West Bank. That would help a lot more.
Posted by Light | April 23, 2009, 4:16 amArabs hate Jews? That's a stupid blanket assumption. They do not hate Jews. Arabs hate Israel? Yes, and with good reason. Israel was created out of Jewish terrorism (or have you forgotten the King David Hotel bombing?) And surprise, surprise, you've managed to post a reply that doesn't address the issues I pointed out – the fact that Israel as a Jewish state is racist (for the reasons outlined above).
Posted by Shafiq | April 23, 2009, 9:45 amNo occupying a country without any good reason is racist. Please buy a Farsi dictionary and translate what Ahmadinejad said properly. Out of Israel and Iran, which one is threatening the other with war?
Posted by Shafiq | April 23, 2009, 9:48 amDoes who the Ahmadinejad is, affect the truthfulness of what he said in his speech? NO. A classical Tu Quoque argument: Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
Posted by Shafiq | April 23, 2009, 9:51 amWasn't this constitution drafted as part of the roadmap? So because the roadmap says Israel will be Jewish and Palestine will be Arab, isn't the constitution just reflecting what has already been agreed upon? Now, would the Palestinians be willing to trade this Arab state for a pluralistic state? Yes. Would the Israelis be willing to trade their Jewish state for a pluralistic state? No.
Posted by Shafiq | April 23, 2009, 9:57 amWhat NATION do the Palestinians represent? Are you that fucking stupid? The Palestinians are a nation you schmuck. Nations do not need to be represented by states at the UN. I've told you this before-learn what you're talking about.
Posted by MohammadKF | April 23, 2009, 2:46 pmHow would you feel if millions of your people had been systematically exterminated … and someone was constantly saying it never happened, it was exageratted, ect? you mean, like how the armenians feel every frakkin second of their lives? yeah, it feels pretty shitty. of course, it would help if the US and israel et al would stop colluding with turkey to deny the armenian genocide. want to take a stab at rationalizing that lovely double standard, eagle? btw, tomorrow (april 24) is armenian genocide rembrance day. it has been almost 100 YEARS people…
Posted by xyz | April 23, 2009, 7:58 pmis this a joke? it does no one any service to pretend that there is no racism in the arab and muslim worlds. we all know there is plenty — as there is in most societies. admitting this does NOT mitigate or excuse or lessen the enormity of israeli atrocities against arabs, or israeli racism towards arabs and muslims (which in any case is, in my experience, more virulent and mainstream than arab anti-semitism).
Posted by xyz | April 23, 2009, 8:14 pm"Furthermore, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel when they created their new manifesto: " More proof this is totally wrong, from just a week or so ago: "On the crucial question of rewriting the Hamas charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, he was unbending: “Not a chance.”" ” target=”_blank”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mcgeo…
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 12:17 am"Furthermore, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel when they created their new manifesto: " More proof this is totally wrong, from just a week or so ago: "On the crucial question of rewriting the Hamas charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, he was unbending: “Not a chance.”" ” target=”_blank”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mcgeo…
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 12:17 am"Furthermore, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel when they created their new manifesto: " More proof this is totally wrong, from just a week or so ago: "On the crucial question of rewriting the Hamas charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, he was unbending: “Not a chance.”" ” target=”_blank”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mcgeo…
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 12:17 am"Furthermore, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel when they created their new manifesto: " More proof this is totally wrong, from just a week or so ago: "On the crucial question of rewriting the Hamas charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, he was unbending: “Not a chance.”" ” target=”_blank”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/opinion/13mcgeo…
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 12:17 amAmazing, did you not even read the article you quoted? "Pressed on policy changes that Hamas might make as a gesture to any new order, Mr. Mishal argued that the organization has already shifted on several key points: “Hamas has already changed — we accepted the national accords for a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, and we took part in the 2006 Palestinian elections.” and: "Over the long term, Hamas accepts the concept of two states in the Levant, which arguably puts Mr. Mishal’s terrorist movement closer to Washington than Mr. Netanyahu is — he now proposes only “economic peace” between Jews and Palestinians." Please spare us the bullshit Whoops. Israel idealogy of Zionism advocates the total destruction of the indigenous people to create living space for a foreign group of people. If Israel can espouse such views what makes you think Hamas wont do the same? The difference is that Hamas accepts the 2 state solution, while Israel does not.
Posted by Arayus | April 24, 2009, 12:32 amYes, I read it – and it directly contradicted what you posted earlier, yet have somehow you "amazing"ly refuse to acknowlege it. As for this, "what makes you think Hamas wont do the same? " Umm, you started off by saying they don't "do the same." Now you say they do? You are a strange person.
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 2:45 amBesides, I have not once argued what Israel is doing or what it's positions are – so all of your false equivalence is some sort of bizarre projection. You wrote: "Furthermore, Hamas dropped its call for the destruction of Israel when they created their new manifesto" Which, you know, happens to be complete bullshit. That is all.
Posted by whoops | April 24, 2009, 2:48 am