<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: A 4th of July Special: The Native American Nakba</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html</link>
	<description>The irreverent, activist, often-inappropriate Arab-American (and others) blog.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:46:26 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: SanaKF</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-85145</link>
		<dc:creator>SanaKF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 05:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-85145</guid>
		<description>The post is critical of the means through which the early settlers, and the government, exploited and destroyed a culture and people to assert its own nationhood. Not of the fact that the US was founded. Same thing happened throughout South America. Peoples are completely wiped out. We can&#039;t ignore that. I don&#039;t despise South Africa nor wish it ill, but I do hold strong critical feelings towards the means through which it was created as a country. Same thing with Canada - love the country, glad it&#039;s a country, but despise how the country was created on the back of a genocide.  
  
Your point about this post being inappropriate on Independence Day is legit, it&#039;s your opinion as an American and I&#039;ll support and respect your right to hold that opinion. I don&#039;t disagree with that - I just don&#039;t agree that Yaman and Saleema are &quot;enemies&quot;. One, I don&#039;t even know Saleema nor have I seen many of her comments, so it&#039;s completely uncalled for me to make such an assessment. And Yaman is someone I speak to outside this blog, and in our group conversations - always political - he&#039;s certainly never come across as hostile towards the US. 
 
I think what becomes most important in such cases is to bring recognition to the genocides and slaughters and the injustice faced by indigenous peoples everywhere in their individual countries. Their existence has been denied for far too long. From this education, we can then continue and move on and away from the sort of rigid national identities and boundaries we&#039;ve created for ourselves and move towards identities which are more inclusive and broad. 
 
Yay. Sparklezzz. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is critical of the means through which the early settlers, and the government, exploited and destroyed a culture and people to assert its own nationhood. Not of the fact that the US was founded. Same thing happened throughout South America. Peoples are completely wiped out. We can&#39;t ignore that. I don&#39;t despise South Africa nor wish it ill, but I do hold strong critical feelings towards the means through which it was created as a country. Same thing with Canada &#8211; love the country, glad it&#39;s a country, but despise how the country was created on the back of a genocide.  </p>
<p>Your point about this post being inappropriate on Independence Day is legit, it&#39;s your opinion as an American and I&#39;ll support and respect your right to hold that opinion. I don&#39;t disagree with that &#8211; I just don&#39;t agree that Yaman and Saleema are &quot;enemies&quot;. One, I don&#39;t even know Saleema nor have I seen many of her comments, so it&#39;s completely uncalled for me to make such an assessment. And Yaman is someone I speak to outside this blog, and in our group conversations &#8211; always political &#8211; he&#39;s certainly never come across as hostile towards the US. </p>
<p>I think what becomes most important in such cases is to bring recognition to the genocides and slaughters and the injustice faced by indigenous peoples everywhere in their individual countries. Their existence has been denied for far too long. From this education, we can then continue and move on and away from the sort of rigid national identities and boundaries we&#39;ve created for ourselves and move towards identities which are more inclusive and broad. </p>
<p>Yay. Sparklezzz.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: programmer craig</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-85072</link>
		<dc:creator>programmer craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-85072</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;...being critical or hostile of policies or historical events does not make one an enemy. &lt;/i&gt; 
 
Sana, the purpose of making this post on US Independence Day is clear. They are being &quot;critical&quot; of US Independence. That&#039;s an attack on the legitimacy of the very existence of this country. *Tell me* how that is not a manifestation of ill will against the United States? Are you even serious with this argument? I thought you were a fair minded person, but it seems you are quite a bit more &quot;fair&quot; to some people than to others. Which is not really &quot;fair&quot; at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;being critical or hostile of policies or historical events does not make one an enemy. </i> </p>
<p>Sana, the purpose of making this post on US Independence Day is clear. They are being &quot;critical&quot; of US Independence. That&#039;s an attack on the legitimacy of the very existence of this country. *Tell me* how that is not a manifestation of ill will against the United States? Are you even serious with this argument? I thought you were a fair minded person, but it seems you are quite a bit more &quot;fair&quot; to some people than to others. Which is not really &quot;fair&quot; at all.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: programmer craig</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-85067</link>
		<dc:creator>programmer craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-85067</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m talking about this &quot;we&quot;: 
 
&lt;i&gt;You deliberately set out to trash the US on the day we celebrate our independence.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Americans who celebrate US Independence. Which clearly does not include you, despite your claim of being American. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m talking about this &quot;we&quot;: </p>
<p><i>You deliberately set out to trash the US on the day we celebrate our independence.</i> </p>
<p>Americans who celebrate US Independence. Which clearly does not include you, despite your claim of being American.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: programmer craig</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-85060</link>
		<dc:creator>programmer craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-85060</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;We clearly have very different understandings of what an enemy is. 
 
Not to mention - when I hear the word enemy I think of someone who wishes nothing but ill and harm upon his/her adversary.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
Those two statements are contradictory. In fact, you have the same understanding of the word &quot;enemy&quot; that I do. You just choose to believe that Saleema and Yaman are not motivated by ill will towards the US, despite evidence to the contrary. That&#039;s your call, but it doesn&#039;t make me wrong when I choose not to give them the benefit of the doubt :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We clearly have very different understandings of what an enemy is. </p>
<p>Not to mention &#8211; when I hear the word enemy I think of someone who wishes nothing but ill and harm upon his/her adversary.</i> </p>
<p>Those two statements are contradictory. In fact, you have the same understanding of the word &quot;enemy&quot; that I do. You just choose to believe that Saleema and Yaman are not motivated by ill will towards the US, despite evidence to the contrary. That&#039;s your call, but it doesn&#039;t make me wrong when I choose not to give them the benefit of the doubt <img src='http://www.kabobfest.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: programmer craig</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-85059</link>
		<dc:creator>programmer craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-85059</guid>
		<description>Since only &quot;Saleema&quot; and &quot;Yaman&quot; are as deliberately obtuse as you, &quot;New&quot;, then I have no choice but to assume you are &quot;Saleema&quot; and &quot;Yaman&quot;. And all three of you are probably &quot;Will&quot;, who is also &quot;Chaim Sugraman&quot;. This shit is getting old, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m not replying in this thread anymore. 
 
Except that you just accused me of threatening to kill somebody, which is unacceptable. Not to mention defamation, a criminal offense. That&#039;s way beyond the normal anonymous abuse that KABOBfesters seem to think passes for humor. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since only &quot;Saleema&quot; and &quot;Yaman&quot; are as deliberately obtuse as you, &quot;New&quot;, then I have no choice but to assume you are &quot;Saleema&quot; and &quot;Yaman&quot;. And all three of you are probably &quot;Will&quot;, who is also &quot;Chaim Sugraman&quot;. This shit is getting old, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m not replying in this thread anymore. </p>
<p>Except that you just accused me of threatening to kill somebody, which is unacceptable. Not to mention defamation, a criminal offense. That&#039;s way beyond the normal anonymous abuse that KABOBfesters seem to think passes for humor.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: New</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-84960</link>
		<dc:creator>New</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-84960</guid>
		<description>I am new here but is this programmer craig advocating the killing of the blogger who wrote this entry because he wrote on some historical facts?  Ummmm, what kind of psycho is this programmer craig?  Is anyone going to report this?  Seriously guys, this guy seems like a whack job as evidenced by his incoherent writing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new here but is this programmer craig advocating the killing of the blogger who wrote this entry because he wrote on some historical facts?  Ummmm, what kind of psycho is this programmer craig?  Is anyone going to report this?  Seriously guys, this guy seems like a whack job as evidenced by his incoherent writing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-84558</link>
		<dc:creator>yaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-84558</guid>
		<description>Yeah, but we don&#039;t celebrate Arab Empire Independence Day, do we?  
 
And I&#039;m not shitting on the day, dude, I&#039;m shitting on the genocides. Thanks. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but we don&#039;t celebrate Arab Empire Independence Day, do we?  </p>
<p>And I&#039;m not shitting on the day, dude, I&#039;m shitting on the genocides. Thanks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: yaman</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-84557</link>
		<dc:creator>yaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-84557</guid>
		<description>Yeah, but we don&#039;t celebrate Arab Empire Independence Day, do we? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but we don&#039;t celebrate Arab Empire Independence Day, do we?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Super Sayyin</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-84516</link>
		<dc:creator>Super Sayyin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-84516</guid>
		<description>Yea but that Arab Empire no longer exists and has not existed for more than a thousand years after it was conquered only shortly after coming into existence by other tribal peoples and then by Europeans. Also I don&#039;t know of any Arabs that celebrate Ummayad Caliphate day.  
 
Finally, no one on this blog has ever tried to downplay the Arab wars of expansion that occurred 1400 years ago. However, we have nutjobs here trying to downplay the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans.  
 
A lot of people died and many were forcefully enslaved to create our country, we should never forget that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea but that Arab Empire no longer exists and has not existed for more than a thousand years after it was conquered only shortly after coming into existence by other tribal peoples and then by Europeans. Also I don&#039;t know of any Arabs that celebrate Ummayad Caliphate day.  </p>
<p>Finally, no one on this blog has ever tried to downplay the Arab wars of expansion that occurred 1400 years ago. However, we have nutjobs here trying to downplay the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans.  </p>
<p>A lot of people died and many were forcefully enslaved to create our country, we should never forget that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Temreyeh</title>
		<link>http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/07/4th-of-july-native-american-nakba.html/comment-page-1#comment-84442</link>
		<dc:creator>Temreyeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=4810#comment-84442</guid>
		<description>I had to quit reading after few lines.....as arabs, we had lots of victims that we built our old glory on in Spain, Asia, and everywhere else.....why are you shitting on a day full of nothing except BBQs and fireworks.....not a good way to build our case as a strong American community if we shit all over symbols like independence day.......ain&#039;t cool dude!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to quit reading after few lines&#8230;..as arabs, we had lots of victims that we built our old glory on in Spain, Asia, and everywhere else&#8230;..why are you shitting on a day full of nothing except BBQs and fireworks&#8230;..not a good way to build our case as a strong American community if we shit all over symbols like independence day&#8230;&#8230;.ain&#039;t cool dude!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

