dude. you are SO FUNNY….Israel really cares about being legal in WHO'S TERMS? how many internatinoal laws has it broken? Legal responsibility….? Please define?

LOL how funny, Israel ignorse over 80UN resolutions and countless of the so called Geneva agreements but will fetch one to its convenience!!!!!!!

Tell that to Vichy France.

Article 7, in conjunction with Article 47 and Article 8, renders null and void those provisions of the Accords that ratify past violations of the Convention. The fact the PLO signed the Oslo Accords and in effect recognised Israeli practices which contravene the Fourth Geneva Convention is irrelevant in terms of Israel’s obligations. Israel cannot exonerate or exculpate itself from responsibility for these policies and practices by relying on the PLO’s ratification of the Oslo Accords pg 79 <a href="http://www.hsrc.ac.za/Document-3227.phtml” target=”_blank”>http://www.hsrc.ac.za/Document-3227.phtml

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/world/middleeas…

Yeah, less talk, more fight. EXACTLY!!!! Look at the last Gaza war. The Israelis had planned this war for months, while they were talking to the Palestinians and you're trying to tell me that the Palestinians are the ones who don't want peace, who go and break their agreements?

I like how your arguments have run out of factual evidence and I appreciate your lack of material to counter or refute my points. You still fail to address Netanyahu, the actual situation right now, the settlements, the checkpoints, who goes and breaks their "agreements" and the question of whether the PA is actually endowed with any REAL authority.

I could go on, but continuing to debate you is just a waste of time.

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According to you, then, there will never be peace in this conflict, because there's nobody on the Palestinian side for the Israelis to negotiate peace with. That's just silly

Do you think Israel really wants to talk? They don't even want to listen! How can you talk when the other side won't listen?

OK, have it your way. Less talk, more fight.

The rest of your ranting is about how to negotiate and achieve a peace settlement, which you claimed in your opening was impossible. Therefore, I will decline to comment on it. Seems like you are having an argument with yourself, and I'll leave you to it.

If it there was never a thing called Palestine or Palestinian, why did the British call their mandate over that same strip of land, the British Mandate of Palestine? What do you think the word "Filasteen" means? It's been in use for hundreds of years, my friend.

Example: choose any place in the world and let's say there's a group of people in this place; they have a language, they have a culture, they have a history, their have their traditions. They call this place, this place where they live, which isn't a "state" or a country like we have today, but it has cities and towns and villages. It exists. They call this place Shuland or whatever you want. Then another group of people come and they take this place over and say: This now belongs to us and we will call it Morabia. Does that change the fact that the native inhabitant, that the original people who were living there, in that same land, before the conquest, still consider it Shuland? That they reject it being called Morabia, because to them it's still Shuland???

The same thing happened in Palestine. To the native Arabs, it was and still is Palestine and to the world it's Palestine. To the Jews: It's Israel, but it still doesn't change the fact that Israel is built on Palestinian land. The only thing than changed was the name. But it's still Palestine and will forever be Palestine!

Anyone in a position of REAL authority and who doesn't depend on someone else to govern their own territory can negociate. Do you think Israel really wants to talk? They don't even want to listen! How can you talk when the other side won't listen?

"I thought that's what everyone wanted? That's what everyone is saying. Who doesn't want peace, Carlos? Name some names"

Israel, for starters. Look at Netanyahu and his complete flatout rejection of freezing settlements in a place on Arab land and which is to be part of a future Palestinian state. He also wants the Arabs to recognize the Jewishness of Israel? "F" that! It's like the French going to Algeria, telling the natives "This is France now" and the natives not doing a thing about it. The Algerians didn't buy that bull, and neither will the Palestinians, because in both cases, a foreign power came to occupy their lands.

"A peace treaty solves all those problems."

Did Oslo solve these problems? No! Oslo made it worse: more settlements, more checkpoints, less authority for the Palestinians. I'd also like to mention that is wasn't a Palestinian who assassinated Yitzhak Rabin because he was promoting peace with the Palestinians; it was an extremist right wing Israeli.

"Because they want peace?"

Israel doesn't want peace. All Israel wants is security, because they're so paranoid and frightened and they're the ones with the nukes. Who's the one putting up the walls, the barriers?
And if that means killing all the Palestinians to do it, I'm sure Israel would. It's life or death. As a side note: Hamas was created in part, due to Israel's help to counter the PLO (divide and conquer) and Hezbollah was created as a response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon. In both cases, Israel was involved directly in the creation of these groups, whose attrocities, you're trying to tell me, are far greater than Israel's??? Try Sabra and Shatila.

"The Israelis aren't the only ones who never recognized a thing called "Palestine". Such a state has never existed."

You're right, there was never a "Palestinian State," but the people living there were Arabs and the place was called Filasteen or Palestine. You don't need statehood to say that something is real or that it exists. Tibet isn't a country, and the Chinese will tell you it's China, but to the people living there it's Tibet. The people of Tibet are called: T-I-B-E-T-A-N-S. The people of a place called Filastine or Palestine (in English) are called: P-A-L-E-S-T-I-N-I-A-N-S. The British called is Palestine (The British Mandate of Palestine), the Arabs called it Palestine, even the ancient Israelites called it Filistia (land of the Filasteens).

"Maybe if they just disarm themselves and invite the Palestinians to share Israel with them, Palestinians won't kill every Jewish man, woman and child living there. We'll never know unless somebody gives peace a chance, right Carlos?"

You're right. If Israel would actually seek for peace, they could get it. One of example: Back in 2002, when the all Palestinians militant groups were about to reach and agreement to halt all attacks inside of Israel, in preparation to go back to the negociating table, Israel ordered a F-16 to drop a one-tonne bomb in Gaza 90 minuted before the cease fire took effect, which completely scrapped the deal and brought on Palestinian revenge. What did Ariel Sharon say about the incident? It was "one of our greatest successes."

Why is it that everytime Israel is on the brink of reaching "somthing of a cease-fire . . . [they] always go back to this experience; just when there's a period of calm, [they] liquidate."

Netanyahu and his buddies are sticking to their agenda of undermining Oslo and the two-state solution. You mention Hamas and Hezbollah in your words, but do you really want to play the childish game of who is the most evil group in the world or do you want to take steps to achieve peace? Sounds to me like you'd rather play the game . . . sounds to me like you're still a child.