Comments on: The Gaza Siege is Good… for Business in Egypt http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html The irreverent, activist, often-inappropriate Arab-American (and others) blog. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anon http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93357 Anon Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:36:59 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93357 That makes sense. Sad sense. That makes sense. Sad sense.

]]> By: Hanitizer http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93305 Hanitizer Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:33:02 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93305 Yes, they did that once and and now I know why they wqon't do it again. Egypt is their only contact to the world...no one calls Gaza they call Egypt if they need anything from Gaza...Egypt will close that channel...that's one. Two lots of forign elemnts would come to Gaza like the Taliban like fighters, Hamas does not want that now. Third, A lot of people Hamas want o keep in like commanders in Fateh will escape, Hamas does not want tha either. The tunnels business will struggle since I can go to Rafah and shop.... Hamas gets a cut of the tunnel goods. Egypt will shoot Palestinians and some Palewstinians will shoot back and everyone wil support Egypt and further choke Gaza. Hamas leaders can leave and come back whenever they like. The Israelis won't like blasting the borders and they will certainly come back and control the gate. I am sure there are other reason...Hamas wants a govenrment now....governments has intrests...if Hamas loses hope they mght opt out for Chaos. P.S. sorry for the bad spelling Yes, they did that once and and now I know why they wqon't do it again. Egypt is their only contact to the world…no one calls Gaza they call Egypt if they need anything from Gaza…Egypt will close that channel…that's one. Two lots of forign elemnts would come to Gaza like the Taliban like fighters, Hamas does not want that now. Third, A lot of people Hamas want o keep in like commanders in Fateh will escape, Hamas does not want tha either. The tunnels business will struggle since I can go to Rafah and shop…. Hamas gets a cut of the tunnel goods. Egypt will shoot Palestinians and some Palewstinians will shoot back and everyone wil support Egypt and further choke Gaza. Hamas leaders can leave and come back whenever they like. The Israelis won't like blasting the borders and they will certainly come back and control the gate. I am sure there are other reason…Hamas wants a govenrment now….governments has intrests…if Hamas loses hope they mght opt out for Chaos. P.S. sorry for the bad spelling

]]> By: Anon http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93303 Anon Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:54:24 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93303 Hanitizer, given your point that Hamas' top goal is to keep Rafah open, why doesn't Hamas re-engineer the fence 'jailbreak' and just knock the wall down? I realize it's gotta be harder now with the Egyptians putting up more measures, but I gotta believe popping the thing open physically is doable. I mean, if Hamas just consistently keeps physically blasting the thing open so people can get through, don't they please the Gaza populace, please the broader Arab/Muslim worlds, and weaken the Egyptian government's chokehold on them? Why not keep knocking the wall down, or tunnel underground then blast it down from underneath or whatever. Just keep doing it over and over until the Egyptian government is forced to accept the new reality of an open border? Hanitizer, given your point that Hamas' top goal is to keep Rafah open, why doesn't Hamas re-engineer the fence 'jailbreak' and just knock the wall down? I realize it's gotta be harder now with the Egyptians putting up more measures, but I gotta believe popping the thing open physically is doable. I mean, if Hamas just consistently keeps physically blasting the thing open so people can get through, don't they please the Gaza populace, please the broader Arab/Muslim worlds, and weaken the Egyptian government's chokehold on them? Why not keep knocking the wall down, or tunnel underground then blast it down from underneath or whatever. Just keep doing it over and over until the Egyptian government is forced to accept the new reality of an open border?

]]> By: Shafiq http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93243 Shafiq Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:30:38 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93243 Before Oslo, the PLO received no aid. It was all channelled through NGOs. You also talk about Hamas corruption - who know's? they might be. We'll see in the January polls whether they are. The Palestinians initially supported Oslo, but they soon realised it was a sham, after settlement building exploded. Now they support a two-state solution that works. Before Oslo, the PLO received no aid. It was all channelled through NGOs.

You also talk about Hamas corruption – who know's? they might be. We'll see in the January polls whether they are.

The Palestinians initially supported Oslo, but they soon realised it was a sham, after settlement building exploded. Now they support a two-state solution that works.

]]> By: Shafiq http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93242 Shafiq Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:25:59 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93242 <i>Why would that be a "dangerous" game? Isn't Islam a religion of peace? I keep hearing that it is! Are you going on record now dismissing that notion? </i> Funding a group of people that you occupy so they can gain influence in the occupied region, is a 'dangerous game'. Like aiding Al-Qaeda in the 80s was a dangerous game. <i>You need to study up on your history a bit, methinks :) </i> lol. I suppose the Ikhwan has been lying about their commitment to non-violent methods since 1928. After all, it's in the Muslim religion to lie, isn't it? <i>Now let me ask you: What? If that is and always has been the aim of ALL Palestinians, then what precisely are you accusing Israel of in regards to HAMAS?</i> Of using Hamas for it's own gain to try and divide the Palestinians. They knew there was a big possibility of Hamas turning, but they didn't realise that Hamas would become so powerful in the short period. If you play with fire, you get burnt. Why would that be a "dangerous" game? Isn't Islam a religion of peace? I keep hearing that it is! Are you going on record now dismissing that notion?

Funding a group of people that you occupy so they can gain influence in the occupied region, is a 'dangerous game'. Like aiding Al-Qaeda in the 80s was a dangerous game.

You need to study up on your history a bit, methinks :)
lol. I suppose the Ikhwan has been lying about their commitment to non-violent methods since 1928. After all, it's in the Muslim religion to lie, isn't it?

Now let me ask you: What?

If that is and always has been the aim of ALL Palestinians, then what precisely are you accusing Israel of in regards to HAMAS?
Of using Hamas for it's own gain to try and divide the Palestinians. They knew there was a big possibility of Hamas turning, but they didn't realise that Hamas would become so powerful in the short period. If you play with fire, you get burnt.

]]> By: programmer craig http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93241 programmer craig Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:07:34 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93241 That's a non-answer, Arayus. The PLO received billions in aid over that 30 years, and never accounted for the bulk of it. And if you think HAMAS is "governing" something now, then you have a very strange idea of what governance means. That's a non-answer, Arayus. The PLO received billions in aid over that 30 years, and never accounted for the bulk of it.

And if you think HAMAS is "governing" something now, then you have a very strange idea of what governance means.

]]> By: Arayus http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93238 Arayus Wed, 19 Aug 2009 05:53:49 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93238 "You didn't explain why PLO corruption was OK with Palestinians for 30 years" The PLO never governed any part of Palestine until after the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. In merely a few short years their corruption and incompetence became known to the general Palestinian people. They practiced favoritism in governing, and completely allowed Israel to settle hundreds of thousands of settlers in the Occupied territories while there was supposed to be a peace process going on. They never governed for 30 years. "You didn't explain why PLO corruption was OK with Palestinians for 30 years"

The PLO never governed any part of Palestine until after the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993. In merely a few short years their corruption and incompetence became known to the general Palestinian people. They practiced favoritism in governing, and completely allowed Israel to settle hundreds of thousands of settlers in the Occupied territories while there was supposed to be a peace process going on.

They never governed for 30 years.

]]> By: programmer craig http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93224 programmer craig Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:28:30 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93224 You didn't explain why PLO corruption was OK with Palestinians for 30 years and only became a problem when the PLO started trying to come to terms with Israelis, Shafiq. And you didn't explain why HAMAS corruption is OK with Palestinians today. <i>Seeing as 80% of Palestinians favour a two-state solution, I'd say the Palestinians DO want peace. </i> I have no idea where that stat comes from but every time Palestinians get to vote with their AKs and their rockets, they vote for war. Also, the way they threw the PLO over the side after Oslo and then warmly embraced HAMAS after the second intifada tells us a little something about what Palestinians want, too. And if that wasn't enough, we could always look at the posts these KABOBers make, and try to figure out what Palestinians really want, couldn't we? You didn't explain why PLO corruption was OK with Palestinians for 30 years and only became a problem when the PLO started trying to come to terms with Israelis, Shafiq. And you didn't explain why HAMAS corruption is OK with Palestinians today.

Seeing as 80% of Palestinians favour a two-state solution, I'd say the Palestinians DO want peace.

I have no idea where that stat comes from but every time Palestinians get to vote with their AKs and their rockets, they vote for war. Also, the way they threw the PLO over the side after Oslo and then warmly embraced HAMAS after the second intifada tells us a little something about what Palestinians want, too. And if that wasn't enough, we could always look at the posts these KABOBers make, and try to figure out what Palestinians really want, couldn't we?

]]> By: programmer craig http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93223 programmer craig Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:23:22 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93223 <i>...they helped Islamise the Palestinians. They knew they were playing a dangerous game, which spectacularly backfired when Hamas turned on Israel.</i> Why would that be a "dangerous" game? Isn't Islam a religion of peace? I keep hearing that it is! Are you going on record now dismissing that notion? <i>If they wanted to use violence, they would have done so by now. </i> You need to study up on your history a bit, methinks :) <i>What? I claimed Israel knew Hamas would never accept Israeli sovereignty over the occupied territories and that getting rid of the occupiers was as much of an aim as their humanitarian efforts. This was (and is) the aim of all Palestinians and Israel's always known this.</i> Now let me ask you: What? If that is and always has been the aim of ALL Palestinians, then what precisely are you accusing Israel of in regards to HAMAS? …they helped Islamise the Palestinians. They knew they were playing a dangerous game, which spectacularly backfired when Hamas turned on Israel.

Why would that be a "dangerous" game? Isn't Islam a religion of peace? I keep hearing that it is! Are you going on record now dismissing that notion?

If they wanted to use violence, they would have done so by now.

You need to study up on your history a bit, methinks :)

What? I claimed Israel knew Hamas would never accept Israeli sovereignty over the occupied territories and that getting rid of the occupiers was as much of an aim as their humanitarian efforts. This was (and is) the aim of all Palestinians and Israel's always known this.

Now let me ask you: What?

If that is and always has been the aim of ALL Palestinians, then what precisely are you accusing Israel of in regards to HAMAS?

]]> By: Shafiq http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/08/the-gaza-siege-is-good-for-business-in-egypt.html/comment-page-1#comment-93222 Shafiq Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:04:39 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=5421#comment-93222 Or maybe I did't bother because you'd already dismissed the answer you knew I was going to give. The Palestinians voted for Hamas purely because of Fatah corruption, and even then, only 40% of them voted for Hamas. Seeing as 80% of Palestinians favour a two-state solution, I'd say the Palestinians DO want peace. Or maybe I did't bother because you'd already dismissed the answer you knew I was going to give.

The Palestinians voted for Hamas purely because of Fatah corruption, and even then, only 40% of them voted for Hamas. Seeing as 80% of Palestinians favour a two-state solution, I'd say the Palestinians DO want peace.

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