Israel, the New York Yankees of Countries
I know very little about baseball. What I do know is that the clubs have no limits on their budgets, which like international relations, lets the wealthy ones beat the poorer ones up most of the time. The richest of the teams is the World Series champion New York Yankees.
One would think that a poorer team such as the New York Mets would be able to relate to other underdogs, such as the Palestinians.
But, no, no one in their organization seems to make this quite far-fetched parallel.
Instead they’ve decided to contribute to Israel’s domination over the Palestinians by hosting a fundraiser for Israeli settlers. And what’s worse, it’s for the most infamously rabid and violent settlers, the ones trying to take over the Palestinian city of Hebron from the inside-out.
As one writer pointed out, the settlers trying to steal Hebron from its natives are “fanatic extremists even by Israeli standards. They regularly ransack Palestinian shops, cut electricity lines and water pipes, wreck cars, and attack schoolchildren.”
Eleven organizations from the US, Palestine and Israel have called on the Mets to cancel a November 21st dinner at the Caesars Club at Citi Field for the Brooklyn-based Hebron Fund. So far, the Mets have refused to cancel the event — even if it expressly funds the violation of international law.
A zionut activist called the fundraising event, a “celebration of the human spirit.” If conquering land and dispossessing natives is the human spirit they celebrate, Genghis Khan or Andrew Jackson should be their mascot.
It seems the Mets prefer good community relations over solidarity with an oppressed underdog. I am not surprised by that. But the Mets should know that when the top pitchers start coming out of Palestine, after years of practice throwing stones at Israeli tanks, we’ll remind them to consider other clubs… including the bully down the road.
If you believe the western sun is fallin' down on everyone
If you break it free and the mornin's come
If you would know your time has come
If you believe the western sun is fallin' down on everyone
And you feel it burn! Don't try to run
And you feel it burn! You're time has come
That's prodigy right? Old stuff?
Absolutely right Craig, very good
Narayan
They are just allowing the Hebron Fund to host its annual dinner at a club in the team's stadium. Big deal?
You say the Palestinians are the natives of Hebron? You obviously don't know anything about Hebron.
Hebron, located 30km south of Jerusalem, is the second holiest site in Judaism, and one of the Jewish Four Holy Cities, and mentioned repeatedly in the Hebrew Bible. (Later, Hebron took on a place of significance for Muslims, though Hebron was almost never mentioned in Muslim literature before the tenth century.)
Hebron is the burial place of the Jewish patriarchs. Biblically, it is the first capital of King David. Hebron is associated with the element of earth (a reference to the Cave where the patriarchs and matriarchs were buried.)
Who gives a shit? The Palestinians are the living, breathing, modern natives of Hebron, not some characters from the Bible.
The natives of Hebron are Jews, not Arabs. The Arabs barged in during the expansion of 638 AD
The Arabs were invaders. Now the rightful natives are having elegant dinners in prestigious foreign sports arenas, while the mongrel descendants of the invaders are futilely throwing stones.
Talk about racism… damn.
Btw, the Palestinians are not originally from what is now Saudi Arabia. They are largely indigenous to Palestine. They speak Arabic because they were conquered a long time ago by a group of people who spoke Arabic. Its time you get used to this simple fact.
In any case its the modern Israeli's from Europe who have no way of proving any form of indigeniousness to the land of Palestine. I'm sorry but in today's world we don't use the Bible to "prove" historical facts.
The Palestinians are Arabs. Their ancestors barged into Palestine during the expansion of 638 AD
They speak Arabic because they were conquered a long time ago? What did they speak before that? That is an unfortunate lie. They are descended from Arabs. They DO have a history of killing and pillaging the Jews in 1929, seizing their property until after the Six Day War of 1967.
The Israeli's of today are descended from the original natives of the land. It's time you get used to this simple fact.
I think it's funny how "History" forgot about the Cananites, the Jebusites, the Ammorites, the Phonecians, the Philistines and the other natives who lived in the "Promised Land" before the arrival of the foreign Israelites when they fled from Egypt and came to Ancient Palestine.
Shows how much History this guy actually knows. Here's a tip: go read the Torah or the Bible and learn your history. Get yourself educated and then come talk.
"Here's a tip: go read the Torah or the Bible and learn your history."
But according to Arayus: "I'm sorry but in today's world we don't use the Bible to "prove" historical facts. "
You did not just say "read the Bible to learn your history."
No disrespect to the Bible… but I'm sorry to tell ya that in no academic institution is the Bible seen as a history book.
No disrespect to the Bible… but I'm sorry to tell ya that in no academic institution is the Bible seen as a history book.
You sure?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_history
49 BC: Roman Civil War between Julius Caesar and Pompey the Great
44 BC: Julius Caesar murdered by Marcus Brutus and others; End of Roman Republic; beginning of Roman Empire
6 BC: Earliest theorized date for birth of Jesus of Nazareth
4 BC: Widely accepted date for birth of Jesus Christ
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9: Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, the Imperial Roman Army's bloodiest defeat.
14: Death of Emperor Augustus (Octavian), ascension of his adopted son Tiberius to the throne
29: Crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
68: Year of the four emperors in Rome
70: Destruction of Jerusalem by the armies of Titus.
According to wikipedia those are the most important historical events to happen from 50 years before Christ to 100 years after Christ. Three of the listings come from the Bible.
Oh, and also… there's the whole issue with the way the Western World's dating system is based on before/after Christ too!
Concerning Canaanites, Phoenicians, the Jews defeated/absorbed them centuries before the Arabs ever showed up.
Do you Zionuts ever have an independent thought? It's obvious that you're all not only reading from the same script but are so entranced by it you never pause to consider just how chuckleheaded and deranged that script sounds to sane people.
There is no such a thing as a 2,000-year-old claim to land. The idea that a group of people can come out of nowehere and claim that a piece of land belongs to them because their supposed ancestors lived there 2,000 years ago is absurd. Utterly and completely absurd. No court of law would respect a claim of land backed by a legitimate deed if the owner had failed to assert his right to the property while another person openly lived on and developed the land for years. Continued possession of land requires either continuous occupation of that land or an assertion of ownership rights by the owner. The Palestinians have done both for centuries, the Jews have done neither until the modern era when they forcefully stole the land from the Palestinians and ethnically cleansed them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_possession
To understand how absurd this is, try going to Israel sometime, walking into a Jew's house, and claiming your ancestors lived on that exact parcel of land 2,000 years ago and they have 5 minutes to get the fuck out or you start shooting. See how far that gets you.
But you expect the rest of the world to abide by this insanity when you do it to the Palestinians.
Violent Arab opposition to the Mandate and Jewish settlement had begun as early as 1919, and took the form of periodic pogroms and agitation for return of Palestine to Syria. In Easter 1920, Amin Al Husseini and Aref el Aref, led a particularly violent pogrom in Jerusalem. In later years the British gave Husseini the office of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, while Aref el Aref was to write a history after the 1948 war. In 1929 there were further Arab riots in Hebron and Jerusalem.
1929 Palestine riots
Hebron Massacre
1929 Safed massacre
1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine
And then there was WWII, and the Holocaust.
On 29 November 1947 the United Nations voted to terminate the British Mandate of Palestine by 1 August 1948 and, to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict in the British Mandate of Palestine, for a plan for the partition of the Mandate territory. The plan came to be called the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine or United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181. The plan was approved by the United Nations General Assembly by 33 votes to 13, with 10 abstentions.
The plan would have partitioned the territory of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, with the Greater Jerusalem area, including Bethlehem, coming under international control.
No "ethnic cleansing" as you claim.
The Jews accepted the UN decision, but the Arabs rejected it. The resolution divided the land into two approximately equal portions in a complicated scheme with zig-zag borders.
At the time of partition, slightly less than half the land in all of Palestine was owned by Arabs, slightly less than half was "crown lands" belonging to the state, and about 8% was owned by Jews or the Jewish Agency. There were about 600,000 Jews in Palestine, almost all living in the areas allotted to the Jewish state or in the internationalized zone of Jerusalem, and about 1.2 million Arabs. The allocation of land by Resolution 181 was intended to produce two areas with Jewish and Arab majorities respectively. Jerusalem and environs were to be internationalized. The relatively large Jewish population of Jerusalem and the surroundings, about 100,000, were geographically cut off from the rest of the Jewish state, separated by a relatively large area, the "corridor," allotted to the Palestinian state. The corridor included the populous Arab towns of Lod and Ramla and the smaller towns of Qoloniyeh, Emaus, Qastel and others that guarded the road to Jerusalem.
Again, no "ethnic cleansing" as you claim. No land was "stolen" by the UN Plan.
It soon became evident that the scheme could not work. Mutual antagonism would make it impossible.
The UN was unwilling and unable to force implementation of the internationalization of Jerusalem. The Arab League, at the instigation of Haj Amin Al-Husseini, declared a war to rid Palestine of the Jews. In fact however, the Arab countries each had separate agendas. Abdullah, king of Jordan, had an informal and secret agreement with Israel, negotiated with Golda Meir, to annex the portions of Palestine allocated to the Palestinian state in the West Bank, and prevent formation of a Palestinian state. Syria wanted to annex the northern part of Palestine, including Jewish and Arab areas.
The Arab Leaque had "ethnic cleansing" in mind, why do you never mention that?
During the period before Israeli independence was declared, two armies of Arab irregular volunteers, led by Haj Amin Al Husseini in the Jerusalem area, and by Fawzi El Kaukji in the Galilee, placed their fighters in Arab towns and conducted various aggressive operations against the Jewish towns and village under the eyes of the British. Kaukji and his irregulars were allowed into Palestine from Syria by the British, with the agreement that he would not engage in military actions, but he soon broke the agreement and attacked across the Galilee. The Arab irregulars were met by the Zionist underground army, the Haganah, and by the underground groups of the "dissident" factions, Irgun and Lehi.
But weren't the Arabs supposed to be the victims, as you say?
In Jerusalem, Arab riots broke out on November 30 and December 1 1947. Palestinian irregulars cut off the supply of food, water and fuel to Jerusalem during a long siege that began in late 1947. Fighting and violence broke out immediately throughout the country, including ambushes of transportation, the Jerusalem blockade, riots such as the Haifa refinery riots, and massacres that took place at Gush Etzion (by Palestinians) and in Deir Yassin (by Jews). Arab Palestinians began leaving their towns and villages to escape the fighting. Notably, most of the Arab population of Haifa left in March and April of 1948, despite pleas by both Jewish and British officials to stay.
But you said the Jews came and stole land?
1948 War is divided into the pre-independence period, and the post-independence period. Clashes between Israeli underground groups and Arab irregulars began almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.
The Jordan legion did assist the in the attack against Gush Etzion, a small block of settlements in the territory allocated to the Palestinian state, south of Jerusalem.
On May 14, 1948, the Jews proclaimed the independent State of Israel, and the British withdrew from Palestine. In the following days and weeks, neighboring Arab nations invaded Palestine and Israel.
The Arabs intended to ethnically cleanse the Jews and steal their land. The propagandists didn't tell you about that, did they?
There is no such a thing as a 2,000-year-old claim to land.
The Jews had their kingdom there in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. There was also a Jewish kingdom there from to 140 to 63 B.C. If none of this matters, then why do the Palestinians try so hard to deny it?
Jews had never stopped coming to "the Holy land" or Palestine in small numbers throughout their exile. Palestine also remained the center of Jewish worship and a part of Jewish culture.
In November 1917, before Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration .
The declaration stated Britain's support for the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine, without violating the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities.
Again, no Jews coming and stealing anything!
At the Paris peace conference in 1919, Zionist and Arab representatives pleaded their case, and met each other. The Zionists presented a map of the area they wanted for the Jewish national home. Remarkably, Dr. Weizmann and the Emir Feisal reached a signed agreement regarding Arab support for a Jewish national home. Feisal also assured the American Zionist representative, Chief Justice Frankfurter, of his support for the Zionist cause. However, Feisal conditioned his support on satisfaction of Arab aspirations in Syria. Instead, Syria was given to the French as a League of Nations mandate and Feisal not only withdrew his support from the Zionist project, but claimed he had never signed any such documents.
Now THIS was absurd!
At the Paris peace conference and through the League of Nations, much of the Ottoman Empire was divided into mandated territories assigned to the victors of the war. The British and French saw the Mandates as instruments of imperial ambitions. US President Wilson insisted that the mandates must foster eventual independence. The British were anxious to keep Palestine away from the French, and decided to ask for a mandate that would implement the Jewish national home of the Balfour declaration, a project that would be supported by the Americans. The Arabs opposed the idea of a Jewish national home, considering that the areas now called Palestine were their land.
ABSURD!
The Palestinians lost their lands and homes when they tried to destroy Israel in 1948, to ethnically cleanse Jews and steal their land. And again in 1967.
But you said some Jews showed up out of nowhere and took the land away?
In 1929, Arabs were incited to violence by false rumors, and massacred some sixty-seven Jews in Hebron. 60 Jews were wounded and Jewish homes and synagogues were ransacked.
The survivors were forced to flee Hebron, and their property was seized by Arab residents and occupied until after the Six Day War of 1967.
The Safed massacre also occurred in 1929. Eighteen Jews were killed (some sources say twenty) and eighty wounded. The main Jewish street was looted and burned.
The Palestinians of Hebron likely have a lot more historical lineage to the Jewish inhabitant of Hebron than to some crazy Askenazim. This is what Shlomo Sands's findings show generally.
And, yes, we know colonization is a violent process that bring about riots and violent resistance. That's one reason we are against colonization. You being named "History," should know that.
How do the mongrel descendants of the Arab invaders have more history than the original natives?
Hebron is the burial place of the Jewish patriarchs. How can you have more history than that?
History says "Hebron is the burial place of the Jewish patriarchs."That is correct, not the burial place of genetic degenerate, cabbage stinking Russo/Polish white trash. So 'geet mofo, back to Minsk. Fake Jew!!!
you don't like the smell of cabbage? lol
Wow, you sound just like Hitler. He thought his people were some pure-blooded "Master Race" too. Seems the Chosen People have a lot more in common with the Herrenvolk than just looks.
And you wonder why we call you Zionazis.
chauncey must have his turban wrapped too tight! Why should Jews go to Minsk when they can live in their homeland? What is he talking about "genetic degenerate"? You're right that does sound very Nazi-ish with all the pure-blooded nonsense.
No wonder the Arabs of Palestine (and Iraq) joined with the Nazis during WWII !
Apparently, the Palestinians didn't have a monopoly on massacres:
http://www.soundofegypt.com/Palestinian/adult/mas...
Let's not forget the latest massacre in Hebron, that of Baruch Goldstein in the the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron, where he killed 29 people and wounded 150 while the Israeli army stood by and did nothing. He is venerated as a hero by extremists in Israel and his gravesite has become a shrine for religious nutters. Jewish settlers in Hebron danced in the streets in celebration of Goldstein's act.
This is an interesting parallel you've drawn, the underdog dynamic. Funny post. Maybe the Palestinians should stop competing against the Israelis and work together, then the kids could build up their arms playing sports instead of throwing rocks?
I thought of something smart-alecy to say: maybe sports teams are a little leary of Palestinians' attitudes toward sports!
Yes and what sport are these settler kids engaging in? Starting them young aren't you?
oh, this is the link you were looking for: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1tk0c4Dzgbs/RbGcuirS8QI...
I would like to see the pictures taken after this, when she turns and attacks the children with her high-pitched tongue noises, sending them running away covering their ears and screaming!
Linda J,
If they ever make Arab-harrassing an Olympic sport, Israel will take the Gold or maybe the Silver (behind Egypt).
Will
I knew there was a reason why I'd shudder as a child every time I'd pass Shea stadium..
589 – 632 : Koran revealed to Muhammad; it shares stories with Judeo-Christian texts.
711 – 718 : Arabs conquer Spain, which becomes center of commerce and culture.
1096 – 1291 : Christian Europe launches the Crusades against Islam.
1453 : Ottoman Turks take constantinople, capital of Orthodox Christianity.
1493 : King Ferdinand drives the Moors from Spain and next expels the Jews.
1683 : The Ottoman siege of Vienna fails, marking the end of its Islamic expansion.
1965 : Nostra Aetate
2001 : Pope John Paul II is first Pontiff to visit a mosque, in Damascus, Syria.
Sept. 2006 : Pope Benedict XVI links Islam to violence, igniting debate and protest.
2008: Shea Stadium (William A. Shea Municipal Stadium) demolished
2009: Hebron Fund Dinner scheduled to be held at the Caesars Club at Citi Field, the stadium of the New York Mets
Yeah, definitely the major paradigms in Islamic history. Definitely.
I heard the Mets cancelled the event. Can't remember where though…