Comments on: Israel, the New York Yankees of Countries http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html The irreverent, activist, often-inappropriate Arab-American (and others) blog. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: cabbage http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95545 cabbage Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:14:42 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95545 No wonder the Arabs of Palestine (and Iraq) joined with the Nazis during WWII ! No wonder the Arabs of Palestine (and Iraq) joined with the Nazis during WWII !

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95544 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:16:31 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95544 The Palestinians lost their lands and homes when they tried to destroy Israel in 1948, to ethnically cleanse Jews and steal their land. And again in 1967. But you said some Jews showed up out of nowhere and took the land away? The Palestinians lost their lands and homes when they tried to destroy Israel in 1948, to ethnically cleanse Jews and steal their land. And again in 1967.

But you said some Jews showed up out of nowhere and took the land away?

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95542 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:11:59 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95542 At the Paris peace conference and through the League of Nations, much of the Ottoman Empire was divided into mandated territories assigned to the victors of the war. The British and French saw the Mandates as instruments of imperial ambitions. US President Wilson insisted that the mandates must foster eventual independence. The British were anxious to keep Palestine away from the French, and decided to ask for a mandate that would implement the Jewish national home of the Balfour declaration, a project that would be supported by the Americans. The Arabs opposed the idea of a Jewish national home, considering that the areas now called Palestine were their land. ABSURD! At the Paris peace conference and through the League of Nations, much of the Ottoman Empire was divided into mandated territories assigned to the victors of the war. The British and French saw the Mandates as instruments of imperial ambitions. US President Wilson insisted that the mandates must foster eventual independence. The British were anxious to keep Palestine away from the French, and decided to ask for a mandate that would implement the Jewish national home of the Balfour declaration, a project that would be supported by the Americans. The Arabs opposed the idea of a Jewish national home, considering that the areas now called Palestine were their land.

ABSURD!

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95541 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:10:34 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95541 At the Paris peace conference in 1919, Zionist and Arab representatives pleaded their case, and met each other. The Zionists presented a map of the area they wanted for the Jewish national home. <b>Remarkably, Dr. Weizmann and the Emir Feisal reached a signed agreement regarding Arab support for a Jewish national home. Feisal also assured the American Zionist representative, Chief Justice Frankfurter, of his support for the Zionist cause</b>. However, Feisal conditioned his support on satisfaction of Arab aspirations in Syria. Instead, Syria was given to the French as a League of Nations mandate and Feisal not only withdrew his support from the Zionist project, but <b>claimed he had never signed any such documents</b>. Now THIS was absurd! At the Paris peace conference in 1919, Zionist and Arab representatives pleaded their case, and met each other. The Zionists presented a map of the area they wanted for the Jewish national home. Remarkably, Dr. Weizmann and the Emir Feisal reached a signed agreement regarding Arab support for a Jewish national home. Feisal also assured the American Zionist representative, Chief Justice Frankfurter, of his support for the Zionist cause. However, Feisal conditioned his support on satisfaction of Arab aspirations in Syria. Instead, Syria was given to the French as a League of Nations mandate and Feisal not only withdrew his support from the Zionist project, but claimed he had never signed any such documents.

Now THIS was absurd!

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95540 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:08:16 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95540 In November 1917, before Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine, Britain issued the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2001/israel_and_the_palestinians/key_documents/1682961.stm" target="_blank">Balfour Declaration</a> . The declaration stated Britain's support for the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine,<b> without violating the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities.</b> Again, no Jews coming and stealing anything! In November 1917, before Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration .

The declaration stated Britain's support for the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine, without violating the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities.

Again, no Jews coming and stealing anything!

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95538 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:58:06 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95538 <i>There is no such a thing as a 2,000-year-old claim to land. </i> The Jews had their kingdom there in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. There was also a Jewish kingdom there from to 140 to 63 B.C. If none of this matters, then why do the Palestinians try so hard to deny it? Jews had never stopped coming to "the Holy land" or Palestine in small numbers throughout their exile. Palestine also remained the center of Jewish worship and a part of Jewish culture. There is no such a thing as a 2,000-year-old claim to land.

The Jews had their kingdom there in the 12th and 13th centuries B.C. There was also a Jewish kingdom there from to 140 to 63 B.C. If none of this matters, then why do the Palestinians try so hard to deny it?

Jews had never stopped coming to "the Holy land" or Palestine in small numbers throughout their exile. Palestine also remained the center of Jewish worship and a part of Jewish culture.

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95537 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:51:20 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95537 1948 War is divided into the pre-independence period, and the post-independence period. Clashes between Israeli underground groups and Arab irregulars began almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution. The Jordan legion did assist the in the attack against Gush Etzion, a small block of settlements in the territory allocated to the Palestinian state, south of Jerusalem. On May 14, 1948, the Jews proclaimed the independent State of Israel, and the British withdrew from Palestine. In the following days and weeks, neighboring Arab nations invaded Palestine and Israel. <b>The Arabs intended to ethnically cleanse the Jews and steal their land. The propagandists didn't tell you about that, did they?</b> 1948 War is divided into the pre-independence period, and the post-independence period. Clashes between Israeli underground groups and Arab irregulars began almost as soon as the UN passed the partition resolution.

The Jordan legion did assist the in the attack against Gush Etzion, a small block of settlements in the territory allocated to the Palestinian state, south of Jerusalem.

On May 14, 1948, the Jews proclaimed the independent State of Israel, and the British withdrew from Palestine. In the following days and weeks, neighboring Arab nations invaded Palestine and Israel.

The Arabs intended to ethnically cleanse the Jews and steal their land. The propagandists didn't tell you about that, did they?

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95536 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:38:28 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95536 In Jerusalem, Arab riots broke out on November 30 and December 1 1947. Palestinian irregulars cut off the supply of food, water and fuel to Jerusalem during a long siege that began in late 1947. Fighting and violence broke out immediately throughout the country, including ambushes of transportation, the Jerusalem blockade, riots such as the Haifa refinery riots, and massacres that took place at Gush Etzion (by Palestinians) and in Deir Yassin (by Jews). Arab Palestinians began leaving their towns and villages to escape the fighting. Notably, most of the Arab population of Haifa left in March and April of 1948, despite pleas by both Jewish and British officials to stay. But you said the Jews came and stole land? In Jerusalem, Arab riots broke out on November 30 and December 1 1947. Palestinian irregulars cut off the supply of food, water and fuel to Jerusalem during a long siege that began in late 1947. Fighting and violence broke out immediately throughout the country, including ambushes of transportation, the Jerusalem blockade, riots such as the Haifa refinery riots, and massacres that took place at Gush Etzion (by Palestinians) and in Deir Yassin (by Jews). Arab Palestinians began leaving their towns and villages to escape the fighting. Notably, most of the Arab population of Haifa left in March and April of 1948, despite pleas by both Jewish and British officials to stay.

But you said the Jews came and stole land?

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95535 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:36:47 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95535 During the period before Israeli independence was declared, two armies of Arab irregular volunteers, <b>led by Haj Amin Al Husseini in the Jerusalem area</b>, and by Fawzi El Kaukji in the Galilee, placed their fighters in Arab towns and conducted various aggressive operations against the Jewish towns and village under the eyes of the British. Kaukji and his irregulars were allowed into Palestine from Syria by the British, with the agreement that he would not engage in military actions, but he soon broke the agreement and attacked across the Galilee. The Arab irregulars were met by the Zionist underground army, the Haganah, and by the underground groups of the "dissident" factions, Irgun and Lehi. But weren't the Arabs supposed to be the victims, as you say? During the period before Israeli independence was declared, two armies of Arab irregular volunteers, led by Haj Amin Al Husseini in the Jerusalem area, and by Fawzi El Kaukji in the Galilee, placed their fighters in Arab towns and conducted various aggressive operations against the Jewish towns and village under the eyes of the British. Kaukji and his irregulars were allowed into Palestine from Syria by the British, with the agreement that he would not engage in military actions, but he soon broke the agreement and attacked across the Galilee. The Arab irregulars were met by the Zionist underground army, the Haganah, and by the underground groups of the "dissident" factions, Irgun and Lehi.

But weren't the Arabs supposed to be the victims, as you say?

]]> By: History http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/israel-the-new-york-yankees-of-countries.html/comment-page-1#comment-95534 History Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:34:36 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=6168#comment-95534 It soon became evident that the scheme could not work. Mutual antagonism would make it impossible. The UN was unwilling and unable to force implementation of the internationalization of Jerusalem. <b>The Arab League, at the instigation of Haj Amin Al-Husseini, declared a war to rid Palestine of the Jews</b>. In fact however, the Arab countries each had separate agendas. Abdullah, king of Jordan, had an informal and secret agreement with Israel, negotiated with Golda Meir, to annex the portions of Palestine allocated to the Palestinian state in the West Bank, and prevent formation of a Palestinian state. Syria wanted to annex the northern part of Palestine, including Jewish and Arab areas. The Arab Leaque had "ethnic cleansing" in mind, why do you never mention that? It soon became evident that the scheme could not work. Mutual antagonism would make it impossible.

The UN was unwilling and unable to force implementation of the internationalization of Jerusalem. The Arab League, at the instigation of Haj Amin Al-Husseini, declared a war to rid Palestine of the Jews. In fact however, the Arab countries each had separate agendas. Abdullah, king of Jordan, had an informal and secret agreement with Israel, negotiated with Golda Meir, to annex the portions of Palestine allocated to the Palestinian state in the West Bank, and prevent formation of a Palestinian state. Syria wanted to annex the northern part of Palestine, including Jewish and Arab areas.

The Arab Leaque had "ethnic cleansing" in mind, why do you never mention that?

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