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The Berlin wall was to keep people in. The Israeli wall is to keep terrorists out.
Posted by Wall | November 14, 2009, 8:00 amFalse!
The Apartheid Wall annexes hundreds of thousands of settlers and their illegal colonies deep inside the West Bank to Israel, separates tens of thousands of Palestinians from their land and walls off vital water resources. Its a land grab, a de facto permanent border, and illegal under international law.
Posted by MohammadKF | November 14, 2009, 2:23 pmSorry Mohammed, but I'm going to have to agree with agree with Wall on this one and say that just like the Israeli "Security Barrier," the U.S./Mexico Border wall is built to keep Americans out, because after all, they are the real terrorists
Posted by Juan Rodriguez | November 14, 2009, 3:05 pmThe explicit goal of the security fence is preventing surreptitious terrorist entry to Israel, which has caused the murder of hundreds of Israeli civilians.
West Bank Palestinians were never citizens of Israel. (Arabs, meanwhile, constitute 15% of the Israeli citizenry.)
The security fence causes no transfer of population.
The majority of Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel's very right to exist; this has bred terror, and ultimately, the need for the fence.
The security fence is a temporary defensive measure, not a border; inconveniences caused by the fence are reversible.
Israel is "colonial" neither with regard to the source of its population (mostly refugees), nor their deep historical relationship to the land.
Posted by Security Fence | November 14, 2009, 5:02 pmThe explicit goal of anything is what it does. It confiscates land, annexes it and bars its owners from access. It also annexes illegal settlements deep inside the West Bank.
The bullshit about this being a defensive wall only flies for those too stupid to look at the facts. The Apartheid Wall is only 60% complete, so its quite obvious that if a Palestinian wanted to infiltrate Israel, this won't be the hindrance.
Additionally, those who continue to spout the tired lies about the apparently altruistic goals of the Apartheid Wall while ignoring its route, its annexation of land and resources and its deep cuts inside the West Bank to incorporate the illegal colonies are proof of the invalidity of any argument to defend it.
PS 'Refugees' don't take over other people's lands and kick them out. That's what colonialists do.
Posted by MohammadKF | November 14, 2009, 10:16 pmIt's not a "fence" it's a wall, and its purpose is to annex Palestinian territory. If you wanted a wall, you should have built it on the Israeli side of the 1967 borders. You can build as many walls as you like and Ghettoize yourselves to your heart's content, just so long as you do it on your side of the border.
Israel is a colonial enterprise, "refugees" or not. Most of the West Bank settlers are "refugees" from Brooklyn who occupied land they know was stolen from the Palestinian people, and should be treated the same as any other group of thieves. Your allegedly "deep" historical roots are 2,000 years old at best, and remain unproven. You have deeper roots in Brooklyn and Warsaw than you have in Palestine.
Tear down that wall, Mr Netanyahu!
Posted by Sean2009 | November 15, 2009, 2:58 amAre the commentators on here serious??! The Israeli wall is nothing but a land grab by the Nationalist/Zionist Israeli government to steal more Palestinian land and create an ethnically and religiously homogeneous state. It may be that the wall is to prevent Palestinian attacks, but why would the Palestinians want to attack Israelis in the first place? Hmm, maybe it has something to do with the Zionists stealing their land from them and kicking them off and out of their homes, and continually expanding their borders while showing complete disregard for any human rights.
Posted by Mark | November 15, 2009, 2:43 amThe State of Israel was created long before the wall was built. So it wasn't built to "create an ethnically and religiously homogeneous state." It was obviously built for protection.
There are no real borders yet, so the wall does not represent a border per se.
why would the Palestinians want to attack Israelis in the first place?
Why don't you ASK THEM
maybe it has something to do with the Zionists stealing their land from them and kicking them off and out of their homes
Yes, many Palestinians lost homes in Palestine. The biggest losses occurred in 1948 and 1967 when they wanted to destroy Israel.
http://www.kabobfest.com/2009/11/the-20th-anniver…
continually expanding their borders while showing complete disregard for any human rights
Yes, Israel is growing in some places. Final status negotiations should begin at once, but some want to wait and let Israel grow some more first. Israeli citizens have the best human rights in the Middle East, but obviously you were referring to Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Palestinian public support for acts of violence sort of undermines these demands for rights, but nevertheless, attention should be focused on the unfair jailing policies and the water situation – but the most important thing is having a unified Palestinian government that can be worked with to protect the rights of its citizens.
Posted by eagle007blogger | November 15, 2009, 3:30 pmNilin marking 20 years to the fall of the berlin wall by taking down the wall on their land
Posted by eagle007blogger | November 15, 2009, 3:13 pm