The movement of Boycott, Divest
ment and Sanctions called for by Palestinian civil society in 2005 against Israel continues to slowly but surely gain traction around the world as many begin to understand the importance of making Israel pay a price for its expansionism and apartheid policies.
However, one aspect of BDS that seems to make many uncomfortable is the boycott of Israeli academic institutions, with many saying that academia should never be a political target. The counterargument to this point has been made many times over, here and elsewhere, not least because Israeli academia in general contributes directly to Israel’s military research, has a leading role in formulating and developing apartheid policy and fails to stand up against the Israeli government’s frequent denial of the Palestinian right to education.
But another, even clearer reason developed two days ago when Ehud Barak ordered a college in the illegal Jewish colony of Ariel in the occupied West Bank to be officially recognized as an Israeli university, thereby giving further internal legitimacy to the illegal theft of Palestinian land and resources. This recognition sheds yet more light on the determination of Israel to permanently hold on to major areas in the West Bank and exposes the lie that the settler project is an extremist movement separate from the rest of Israeli society. Indeed, when the idea of converting the college’s status was floated in 2005, Ariel Sharon’s cabinet passed a resolution saying that it saw ‘national importance’ in transforming the college into a university-in other words, the primary motivation here is political, not academic.
While it is true that Israel’s Council of Higher Education opposes this move, I believe this university is no different than the Israeli colleges and universities built inside the Green Line on land stolen from the ethnically cleansed population of Palestine. Zionism is one movement with one goal, whether it is on land occupied in 1948 or 1967, and we must stand up to it everywhere.
Related posts:
- BDS: Spain Boycotts Israeli Settlement University
- Israeli Apartheid Week
- Israel Boycott Movement Comes to U.S.
- Boycott Israeli Dance Company on US/Canada Tour
- The Apartheid Solution
the importance of making Israel pay…
10 days after quake, 2 rescued from Haiti rubble
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti – An Israeli search team pulled a severely dehydrated 21-year-old man from the rubble of his bedroom a staggering 10 days after an earthquake leveled much of the Haitian capital.
Buso said from his bed in an Israeli Defense Forces field hospital near Haiti's main airport that he survived by drinking his own urine and spent most of his time under the debris in a listless daze, at times dreaming of his mother and thinking that he had in fact died.
The Israel team has found four people alive. Their field hospital has treated more than 500 people, delivering 14 babies.
Maj. Amir Ben David, the head of the Israeli search-and-rescue team, said he has never seen anyone survive as long as Buso under such circumstances. He said the rescue is a reminder of the importance of continuing their efforts.
"This has given us a lot of hope that we can find more people," Ben David told AP. "We will keep going until the end of our mission."
Israeli searchers had been going through Port-au-Prince asking people if they knew of anyone who might be trapped. They encountered Buso's relatives, who thought he might still be alive.
Israel sent 220 rescue workers and a field hospital to Haiti. What have the Palestinians sent? What have the Palestinians EVER contributed to humanity? They plan and fund operations, but all they've ever given the world are things like the Munich Olympics tragedy. Apparently the Palestinians like to CELEBRATE disasters.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 23, 2010, 6:57 amEagle, do you really think that Palestine is in a position to help others?
Posted by rudy_Infidel | January 23, 2010, 6:41 pmThey manage to get into a position to hurt and kill others? They plan and fund terrorist operations and attacks.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 4:32 amthank you for this post. a great way to target academia is by signing on to the u.s. academic boycott, which you can do by going to our website: http://usacbi.wordpress.com/
Posted by marcynewman | January 23, 2010, 8:04 amMarcy, you accidentally threw up a link calling for the US to boycott Israel. I realize you don't have a UK or other EU passport to get your foot in the door over there, but you could still become an online "international community" activist, couldn't you? After reading your posts aka rants about Los Angeles a year or so back, it seems pretty apparent that even you have come to realize the US is not part of the international community.
Posted by programmer craig | January 23, 2010, 7:47 pmWell said, Mohammad.
Eagle007- The topic of this article is academic boycott, so your mention of humanitarian relief is nowhere near apposite. It's comical that you ask what Palestinians provided for relief, when most of Gaza has looked like Haiti now for the past year. Besides, it would probably take two years for a rescue team to obtain permits from the Israelis to leave the territories, just like the many Palestinian students that are granted scholarships to continue their higher education by European and North American countries, but Israel denies them that right as well.
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 23, 2010, 12:19 pm…and apartheid policies.
I guess it won't hurt to point out yet again that "apartheid" refers to discriminatory divisions within a society, and that it doesn't apply here because Palestinians and Israelis are not members of the same society.
Not that the fact the concept is invalid when talking about the Arab-Israeli conflict will stop anyone from using it, though, right? It's just got to much bite to pass up! It's almost as good as "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide".
Posted by programmer craig | January 23, 2010, 7:34 pmYour interpretation of apartheid is inconsistent with reality. Show me where, in any international statute or interpretation of apartheid, that it says it applies only to individuals within the same society. This is absurd, particularly when one of the goals of apartheid is to shut people out of full participation in society on the basis of race or ethnicity.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 24, 2010, 3:21 amshut people out of full participation in society on the basis of race or ethnicity? The Palestinians outside of Israel never had any participation in Israeli society, they are not and were never Israeli citizens. They have attacked Israel and hurt and killed Israelis. They are people that the Israelis must protect themselves from. The basis is that they are dangerous and violent.
apartheid
–noun
1. (in the Republic of South Africa) a rigid policy of segregation of the nonwhite population.
2. any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.
The Israelis are not separating people on the basis of race, there are Arabs living in Israel as citizens.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 4:51 amYour response is racist, absurd and beneath contempt. No body of international law shares your delusion that the Palestinian people are inherently dangerous and violent and that is why they need to be trapped behind fences and walls.
Apartheid is a complex topic under international law, and to use a dictionary definition to describe the legal basis on which it is determined is idiotic. Even so, you fail to note the definition says nothing about a requirement of the relevant parties being within a particular society or separating people on the basis of race.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 24, 2010, 6:19 amEven so, you fail to note the definition says nothing about a requirement of the relevant parties being within a particular society or separating people on the basis of race.
2. any system or practice that separates people according to race, caste, etc.
And in #1, notes that the people involved were all in the Republic of South Africa.
Now you speak for all the international bodies of law? Are you for real? And you are denying the need for security in Israel? The whole world recognizes this!
To use a dictionary is a great thing to do, you should do it more often, instead of defining things the way you want them.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 7:09 amThis is absurd, particularly when one of the goals of apartheid is to shut people out of full participation in society on the basis of race or ethnicity.
You know what's absurd, Sean? The fact that the way you worded your challenge indicates you are well aware that the term only applies to people within a society. And you went ahead and issued the challenge anyway. You just can't help yourself, can you?
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 5:51 amThe way I worded the challenge indicates that I am unaware that the term "apartheid" only applies to people within a society, since a 100 percent successful apartheid strategy would result in people being systematically shut out from society, even ethnically cleansed, at which point by your definition apartheid couldn't possibly exist, which is obviously ridiculous, since it was apartheid that led to the separation in the first place.
Nice attempt at dodging, though. I fully expect you will fail to back your assertions with anything but lame counter accusations like this.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 24, 2010, 6:14 amAre you smoking pot? Sniffing glue?
This is one of your more comical posts LOL
Really though, what is your point, what are you asking? Trying to come to some great philosophical conclusion about apartheid? You're obviously over complicating things, trying to rationalize a way to use the term for something which it does not apply. You want to pretend that apartheid applies to enemies of a particular state. That's just silly.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 7:17 amThe way I worded the challenge indicates that I am unaware that the term "apartheid" only applies to people within a society, since a 100 percent successful apartheid strategy would result in people being systematically shut out from society…
lol. You just did it again! How could they be "shut out" from society, if they were never part of the society to begin with? I don't k now if you're just used to dealing with imbeciles or what, Sean, but I'm really enjoying these comments of yours. It isn't often I run into somebody who so enthusiastically exposes his own lies
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 2:50 pmI give up. This is like arguing with a 5-year-old.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 24, 2010, 8:10 pmI give up.
Good call!
This is like arguing with a 5-year-old.
Good point, but you give yourself too much credit. Little kids don't engage in the kind of sophisticated deceptions you try to pull off. They are therefore innocent of the kind of deliberate malice that is behind your behavior.
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 8:18 pmProgramme Craig you must have never heard of the term "Israeli Arabs"…who…yup…as the name indicates, are a PART of Israeli society, who suffer severe discrimination.
It takes a simple google search to find hundreds and thousands of news articles and reports by NGO's (Israeli and international and arab) which point to this fact.
Why dont you stop sniffing glue and read the following.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4111915.st…
http://www.tadamon.ca/post/649
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/857766.html
Posted by Emilia | January 28, 2010, 9:16 amSuffer discrimination and live in an APARTHEID society I may add.
Posted by Emilia | January 28, 2010, 9:17 amIt's comical that you ask what Palestinians provided for relief, when most of Gaza has looked like Haiti now for the past year.
That's untrue, Niko. Palestinians receive more aid per capita than anyone else on the planet, by a lot. It's grossly unfair to Haitians to imply Palestinians have it just as bad. Even before this earthquake, Haitians were much worse off than Gazans. It isn't even close. I'm glad you brought this up though, because the focus of the international community – particularly humanitarian efforts – on Palestinians almost to the exclusion of all else is one of my pet peeves.
Posted by programmer craig | January 23, 2010, 7:38 pmProgrammer,
Show me numbers from a reliable source so I can determine the credibility of your statement regarding foreign aid to Palestinians. Speaking of aid, it's worthy to mention that Israel imposes heavy taxation on any humanitarian aid that goes to Palestinians. And there's no mention in my comment that Palestinians "have it just as bad." I said Gaza "looks" like Haiti with all the rubble from Israeli bombardment. Besides, neither you nor I have been to Gaza recently, so you could not possibly know how bad Gazans have it. Finally, the focus of this article was neither Haiti nor Gaza, but Eagle007 brought up Palestinians' contributions to Haiti, which I thought was idiotic for two reasons: 1) This article was not about Haiti, and 2) Palestinians are in no position to provide aid to other nations when they themselves are in dire need of aid (I know you don't agree with that, but even Israeli humanitarian organizations see that).
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 24, 2010, 1:21 amPalestinians are in no position to provide aid to other nations when they themselves are in dire need of aid…
Palestinians are substantially better off than many other Arabs. I'm having trouble understanding why I should continue arguing with you, when you seem to be blindly repeating talking points. Can you explain to me why Palestinians are more worthy of receiving aid than say… Sudanese? Or Egyptians, for that matter? And while things have improved tremendously in Iraq recently, there are still Iraqi refugees who can only dream about having it as good as Palestinians have it in the camps. And how about Yemen?
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 6:00 amYou don't have to argue about anything, like I won't with someone who's never set foot in a refugee camp, yet wants to tell me what life is like in it.
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 26, 2010, 1:26 pmShow me numbers from a reliable source so I can determine the credibility of your statement regarding foreign aid to Palestinians.
OK…
The International Monetary Fund and the United Nations say the Palestinians received $1.2 billion in aid and budgetary support in 2006, about $300 per capita, compared with $1 billion in 2005.
While the United States and the European Union have led the boycott, they, too, provided more aid to the Palestinians in 2006 than 2005. Washington increased its aid to $468 million in 2006, from $400 million in 2005.
The European Union and its member states alone are subsidizing one million people in the West Bank and Gaza, a quarter of the population, as part of their effort to avoid creating a catastrophe from the embargo.
Moneyshot:
“These numbers are quite stunning,” said Alexander Costy, head of coordination for Álvaro de Soto, the United Nations special Middle East envoy, “given the relatively small size of the population of the Palestinian territory.”
And note, those numbers are for direct aid. They don't include the institutionalized annual spending the UN and various humanitarian NGOs provide to Palestinians, and have been providing for the last 60 years. I'm not even sure there's a good way to guesstimate what that would come out to.
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 6:09 amForgot the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/21/world/middleeas…
Posted by programmer craig | January 24, 2010, 6:11 amGreat link, very interesting. Now Sean-troll needs to come along and post a link to an article which "explains" that data, putting it in "perspective" aka putting an anti-U.S. spin on it. lol
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 6:55 amlol, lol…..
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 26, 2010, 1:27 pmlol @ Moneyshot
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 6:53 amit's worthy to mention that Israel imposes heavy taxation on any humanitarian aid that goes to Palestinians
Can you provide a reliable source?
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 6:59 amI would, but don't have time. Do what you and craig did, and you'll find answers…… it's called Google.
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 26, 2010, 1:29 pmEagle007,
I get this message below from Barbara Lubin , a distinguish Jewish American working with Palestinian.
I have read similar reports from Gaza about Palestinians stepping up to the plate to help the suffering people in Haiti. Palestinians know the pain and suffering.
As far as Palestinian getting more aid than any other country in the world, I beg your pardon!
When Hamas won the Palestinian election fair and square, Candy Rice as our former Secretary of State has the audacity to demanded from the PA the return of $50 million given as an aid, shortly before the election . A true lesson in promoting democracy! Better call it hypocrisy!
We have all been shocked and horrified by the recent events in Haiti. Possibly 200,000 dead and thousands more injured and disabled as a result of the earthquake.
Just before the news of the Haiti catastrophe, I was in Egypt with the Gaza Freedom March. When we were not permitted to enter Gaza through the Egyptian border I decided to go to the West Bank to visit friends and MECA projects in Dheisheh Refugee Camp.
I have the honor of meeting Mrs. Lubin in my home town fellowing the latest Israeli genocide in Gaza .
Please read below. This is a reliable source that dispute your false claim. As far as your allegation that Palestinians receive more aids than any other country in the world. That is a sad sick joke, my friend!
While the situation overall for the families in Palestine continues to deteriorate, it's always wonderful to see the young people I have known since they were little children growing up. Many are now attending the universities with MECA scholarships, and becoming leaders in the programs MECA supports.
When the earthquake hit Haiti I received a phone call from Areej Jafari, our colleague in Dheisheh, asking me what MECA was doing and what the children and youth she works with in Palestine could do. She told me, "The children here see the suffering of the children in Haiti. We know what it is like to lose your home and to lose your loved ones. We understand displacement. We can't just watch. We must do something."
Areej asked me to, please, send some of the money MECA raised for Dheisheh programs to the children in Haiti instead. MECA will donate $5,000 to the Emergency Relief Fund of the Haiti Action Network on behalf of the children in Dheisheh Refugee Camp, Palestine.
You have been so generous to the children of Palestine. Now, they are giving to the children of Haiti and I encourage you to give what you can, as well.
You can send a contribution toHaiti Action Network's the fiscal sponsor:
East Bay Sanctuary Covenant (EBSC.)
2362 Bancroft Way, Berkeley CA 94704
Or give give online.
Many thanks,
Barbara
Posted by Mahmoud El-Youssleph | January 24, 2010, 4:12 amShow me numbers from a reliable source so I can determine the credibility of your statement regarding foreign aid to Palestinians.
Palestinian aid 2005
Palestinians have received more than $2.9 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects – more than from any other donor country.
USAID West Bank & Gaza Budget History
MORE HERE
To date, the U.S. government is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development aid to the Palestinians.
USAID has funded programs that support the 3.8 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by creating jobs, strengthening the role of the private sector, providing technical assistance to PA ministries in various areas, and meeting basic human needs.
US Palestinian Aid: $200 Million Transferred To Fix Budget Crisis
07/24/09
RAMALLAH, West Bank — The United States has transferred $200 million to the Palestinian government to help ease a growing budget deficit, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said
U.S. to pledge $900 million for Palestinian aid
March 02, 2009
Sharm el-Sheikh Egypt — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton today will pledge about $300 million in U.S. humanitarian aid for the war-torn Gaza Strip, plus about $600 million in assistance to the Palestinian Authority, a U.S. official said Sunday.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 4:27 amShow me numbers from a reliable source so I can determine the credibility of your statement regarding foreign aid to Palestinians.
Palestinian aid 2005
Palestinians have received more than $2.9 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects – more than from any other donor country.
USAID West Bank & Gaza Budget History
MORE HERE
To date, the U.S. government is the leading provider of bilateral economic and development aid to the Palestinians.
USAID has funded programs that support the 3.8 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza by creating jobs, strengthening the role of the private sector, providing technical assistance to PA ministries in various areas, and meeting basic human needs.
US Palestinian Aid: $200 Million Transferred To Fix Budget Crisis
07/24/09
RAMALLAH, West Bank — The United States has transferred $200 million to the Palestinian government to help ease a growing budget deficit, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said
U.S. to pledge $900 million for Palestinian aid
March 02, 2009
Sharm el-Sheikh Egypt — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton today will pledge about $300 million in U.S. humanitarian aid for the war-torn Gaza Strip, plus about $600 million in assistance to the Palestinian Authority, a U.S. official said Sunday.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 4:27 amThanks for the links. None of them show that Palestinians are the largest recipients of aid on the planet.
Posted by Niko_M_Kapolis | January 26, 2010, 1:24 pmAnother Israeli PR Operation in Hiati.
Badly needed to enhance Israel's tarnished image fellowing her war crimes in Gaza.
Richard Silverstein has a translation of Dr Donchin's op-ed on this theme in Yediot here.
–And today I received the following email: "HOW MANY NEWS REPORTS HAVE YOU SEEN ABOUT THIS??????? Watch this news video from Haiti. It'll make you proud to be an Israeli and a Jew." Well I'm not an Israeli, but the link is to a CNN report by medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen about an Israeli field hospital in Haiti that is doing work other harum-scarum clinics are not. "I'm just amazed, I'm amazed by what is here… It's just amazing," says Cohen (and yes I wonder if she's pro-Israel).
–The other night on Hardball, Andrea Mitchell twice referred to Israel as providing important aid to Haiti, in her list of countries helping out. (I found it disturbing. I thought, She's Jewish and powerful, why is she thumping the hasbara).
The Zionization of Disaster Relief
Didn't know there was anything particularly Zionist about providing disaster relief? You learn something new every day. This is a story of exploiting the suffering of poor, defenseless Haitians on behalf of Israeli triumphalism.
A baby named Israel…who, if he reaches adulthood, would never be welcome in Israel (IDF)
Sol Salbe translated an eye-opening column from Yediot by an Israeli doctor who was an integral member of all Israeli international disaster response teams until recently. Then he made the mistake of writing a mildly critical statement about Israeli disaster relief efforts. As a result, he was relieved of his obligation for further IDF service and further participation in the disaster relief program. The op ed is so revealing (and not yet available online in English) I'm going to quote large sections. An explanatory note–at Israel's Haiti field hospital, they delivered what the Israeli PR flacks called "the first baby since the earthquake." The medical staff urged the woman to name her baby "Israel" and she was only to eager to oblige. Another Israeli PR coup!
Public Relations instead of saving lives
Sending portable toilets to Haiti would have been a better option, but this does not provide good photo opportunities. Israeli missions to disaster areas in the past have shown that such activity was in vain.
Yoel Donchin
Posted by Mahmoud El-Youssleph | January 24, 2010, 4:34 amNow trying to besmirch the Israeli aid efforts in Haiti. You people know no shame.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 6:49 amContinues from previous post:
I received my final exemption from the army after I published an article which said that the State of Israel acts like the proverbial Boy Scout, who insists on doing a good deed daily and helping an old lady cross the road even against her will. How ungrateful of me to publish such a column when I had participated in almost all the rescue missions to overseas disaster areas! Suddenly I am no longer suitable to take part in such heroic endeavours. But in light of the experience I gained in such missions…we have wasted our effort.
Generally speaking, we start preparing for such a mission within hours of the announcement of a natural disaster. Most often the Israeli mission team is the first one to land in the area. Like those who climb Mount Everest, it plants its flag on the highest peak available, announcing to all and sundry that the site has been conquered. And in order to ensure that the public is aware of this sporting achievement, the mission is accompanied by media representatives, photographers, an IDF spokesman's office squad and others.
I understood the purpose perfectly when the head of one of the delegations to a disaster zone was asked whether oxygen tanks and a number of doctors could be removed to make room for another TV network's representatives with their equipment. (With unusual courage, the delegation head refused!)
Posted by Mahmoud El-Youssleph | January 24, 2010, 4:38 amPlease continue reading….
The lesson learnt from the activities of those missions is that when there is a natural disaster, or when thousands of people are expelled from their homes by force, as happened in Kosovo, survivors may benefit from international assistance only if it responds to the region's specific needs. Also assistance must be coordinated among the various aid agencies.
The competitive race to a disaster zone imposes a huge strain on the local health and administration authorities. Airports are clogged by transport planes unloading a lot of unnecessary but bulky equipment. Doctors and rescue organisations seek ways to utilise single carriageway roads and in fact they are a burden. The correct way to help is to send a small advance force to gauge the dimensions of the disaster…
Would they still call that child Israel?
Three components are crucial: shelter, water and food — these things are crucial in order to save the largest number of people. Water purification equipment, tents, basic food rations are needed. But they do lack the desired dramatic effect. If we went down that track we would miss out on seeing that child who was born with the assistance of our physicians. Most certainly, the excited mother wouldn't give her child (who knows if he will ever reach a ripe old age?) the name Israel or that of the obstetrician or nurse. (Would he get citizenship because he was born in Israeli territory? There would be many opposed to that.) The drama is indeed classy, but its necessity is doubtful.
It being Israel, our current force contains a Kashrut supervisor, security personnel and more.
In the present disaster, which is of a more massive scale than anything we have encountered to date, the need is not so much for a field hospital but field, ie portable, toilets. There is more of a need for digging equipment to dig graves and sewage pipes.
A country which wants to provide humanitarian aid without concern for its media image should send whatever is required by the victims, and not whatever it wants to deliver. But would the evening news show the commander of the Israeli mission at the compound with 500 chemical toilets? Unlikely. It is much more media savvy to show an Israeli hospital, replete with stars of David and of course the dedicated doctors and nurses, dressed in their snazzy uniforms with an Israeli flag on the lapel.
…It is quite likely that financial assistance commensurate with Israel's resources would be preferable to the enormous expense and complicated logistics involved in the maintenance of a medical unit in the field…
But apparently a minute of TV coverage is much more important…and in fact Israel is using disasters as [military] field training in rescue and medical care. After a fortnight, the mission will reportedly return to Israel. To be truly effective a field hospital needs to remain for two or three months, but that's a condition that Israel cannot meet.
…It is only in the Israeli aid compound in Haiti that large signs carrying the donor country's name hang for all to see.
Prof. Yoel Donchin is the director of the Patient Safety Unit at the Hadassah Medical Centre in Jerusalem.
Translated by Sol Salbe, who directs the Middle East News Service for the Australian Jewish Democratic Society.
If after reading this you're feeling either slightly soiled or angry, I urge you to perform a truly constructive, selfless act in reply to Israel's self-promotional puffery. Make a gift to American Jewish World Service or Doctors Without Borders, who are each doing acts of mercy without thought of benefit to themselves or any narrow political movement. In fact, DWB's flights of precious, desperately needed medical supplies have been repeatedly turned away by American forces controlling incoming air traffic, in favor of military equipment deemed needed for the occupation which seems to be taking shape there.
Somehow Israeli field hospitals and all their support equipment manage to get through this bottleneck. Could it be? Nah, I didn't think so.
Posted by Mahmoud El-Youssleph | January 24, 2010, 4:41 amThanks Mahmoud. Here is a related post from Mondoweiss:
Israeli media consultant in Maariv: ‘The Haiti Disaster is Good for the Jews’
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/01/israeli-media-consu…
The following article appeared in Maariv, Israel’s second most popular newspaper, and was written by Tamir Haas who identifies himself as a "publicist" and "media consultant." It was translated into English by Shmuel Sermoneta-Gertel.
The Painful Truth: The Haiti Disaster is Good for the Jews
As sorry as we are about the horror in Haiti, the current positive attitude to Israel – thanks to the IDF delegation – shows that the country must engage in proactive as well as reactive hasbara.
Tamir Haas 21/1/2010, Maariv-NRG
At a time when our country is under media attack on the basis of harsh and anti-Semitic reports, and we are forced to contend with terrorists who have assumed the winning image of victims of war, one could say that the Haiti disaster is the best thing that could have happened to us. So why are blood, destruction, poverty, hunger and orphans good for the Jewish State? First of all because global attention has been drawn elsewhere and the international media have a more interesting story to cover. Second, because every disaster-area needs a hero, and right now we are it. I must admit that I would not be surprised if the image aspect of setting up a hospital in Haiti, as well as the IDF rescue efforts, was given greater weight than humanitarian considerations. If I am right, then finally, someone in the Knesset has done the right thing, deciding to take advantage of the opportunity to prove to the world how kindhearted and capable we are. And if the Foreign Ministry manages to make further use of the Israeli success stories in Haiti and market them to the world, all the better. We can only hope that none of our talented politicians is caught in front of a camera saying “We showed the world. We were really awesome in Haiti,” or something like that – a distinct possibility considering the recent mess with the Turks. Better to be modest.
Those in Charge Don’t see Hasbara as Warfare
The tough question raised by our success in Haiti is why we do well in the media only when we have the opportunity to star in another country’s disaster, and not on a regular basis? After all, you can’t have a natural disaster every day. The answer to the question is a lack of concerted effort to garner sympathy from the countries of the world, alongside behaviour that actually creates antagonism, such as humiliating ambassadors on camera.
Mr. Haas has difficulty understanding why Israel doesn't enjoy the same level of sympathy when it creates a disaster in Gaza as when it responds to a disaster in Haiti. Must be anti-Semitism or the failure to treat hasbara as the war against truth that it is.
"Moneyquote" from the comments section:
"Israeli hasbara never miss an opportunity to milk an opportunity ….. like Haiti."
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 12:34 amEven trying to besmirch Israeli aid efforts in Haiti? This is almost like Nazi-era propaganda.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 25, 2010, 1:55 pmThat was written by an Israeli and published in Israel's second leading newspaper. Who is your comment directed to?
Posted by MohammadKF | January 25, 2010, 2:10 pmI posted a quote from an Israeli publicist whose comments were printed in an Israeli newspaper and you see this as Nazi-era propaganda?
Do you ever turn off the auto-reply function in your brain?
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 6:47 pmMohammad
You lose credibility when you constantly use the word "apartheid"
The Palestinians being kept out of Israel are not Israeli citizens, they are self-proclaimed enemies of Israel, and they have a long history of attacking Israel and Israelis.
"Apartheid" is a buzz word, meant to conjure up an emotional response. But the Israel Palestine situation is nothing at all like the situation that existed in South Africa. By using the buzzword, you and those like you are trying to attach those feelings from the South African situation onto the Palestinian situation to gain sympathy and support. But to anyone with even marginal intelligence, it just makes you seem shady.
No one has ever answered this question: even if the BDS campaign could harm the Israeli economy, how would the Palestinians benefit from that?
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 4:44 amI'll only lose credibility with people like yourself who have no idea what apartheid is. However, the people who are actual authorities on this subject-stalwarts of the South African anti-apartheid movement such as Rev. Desmond Tutu and others-believe the term apartheid very aptly describes the situation in Palestine.
To answer your question: if you knew anything at all about the BDS campaign that targeted apartheid South Africa, you would understand the central role it played in convincing the South African government to end apartheid.
Posted by MohammadKF | January 24, 2010, 3:48 pmYou are right about Desmond Tutu… this article is interesting.
You didn't answer my question. I wasn't talking about South Africa, I was talking about Palestine.
In the 1960s South Africa had economic growth second only to that of Japan. In the late 70s, the anti-apartheid movements in the United States and Europe supported boycotts against South Africa, and supported the withdrawal of U.S. firms from South Africa. By 1987 the growth of South Africa's economy had dropped to among the lowest rate in the world, and the ban on South African participation in international sporting events was frustrating many whites in South Africa.
That is not happening with the Palestine campaign.
In the early 1980s, whites constituted only 16% of the total population of South Africa, in comparison to 20% fifty years earlier. That is nothing like the Palestine situation, where a minority are repressing a majority.
You aren't going to be able to shut down the Israeli government. In fact, it is doubtful that BDS will do anything at all – but I was wondering, even if BDS could damage the Israeli economy, do you think the security wall will fall down, and there will be no more IDF? Suddenly Hamas will take over Israel and make all the Palestinians into Israeli citizens?
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 5:14 pmThe BDS campaign in South Africa was launched some 30 years prior to the end of apartheid-like you mentioned, it didn't catch on in the West until the later years. The Palestinian BDS campaign is only 5 years old-it isn't a failure because the entire world has yet to boycott Israel already.
By asking whether the apartheid wall and IDF will cease to exist as a result of economic sanctions on Israel, you are again demonstrating your ignorance about the reality of Israeli policy in Palestine. The wall, settlements and army are tools of apartheid, shunting the Palestinians into enclaves, confiscating their land for the exclusive use of Jewish settlers and enabling the Israeli government to operate two sets of laws for the people it controls based on their ethnicity. The goal is to pressure Israel into dismantling this system, so that everybody is guaranteed equal civil, human and poitical rights.
Posted by MohammadKF | January 25, 2010, 1:38 amThe BDS campaign against South Africa took off WHEN anti-apartheid movements in the United States and Europe supported boycotts against South Africa, and supported the withdrawal of U.S. firms from South Africa. The economic consequences are undeniable. Also, there was a ban on South African participation in international sporting events.
It is extremely unlikely that the U.S. and Europe will boycott Israel, an ally. Israel is not now, or in the foreseeable future, going to be banned from sporting events.
I am certainly not defending Israel's settlement activity, I am just stating the facts.
But I do question this idea: so that everybody is guaranteed equal civil, human and poitical rights BECAUSE Israel guarantees the civil, human and poitical rights of the citizens of Israel, the Israelis. The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel. They must have their own state. And… are the citizens neighboring states guaranteed to have the same rights as their neighbors? No. Is every state obligated NOT to violate the rights of its neighbors? Yes.
So Israel will be obligated not to commit human rights abuses against its Palestinian neighbors… but as far as guaranteeing civil and political rights, as you mention, that is up to the Palestinians and that is why they need to make their state.
So whatever Israel dismantles or doesn't dismantle, the Palestinians need a state and a govt that is capable of protecting their rights. Once there are borders, there will no longer be settlements.
I think the BDS movement is a good movement to unite people who are pushing for Palestinian rights. But I think it is mistaken to think that BDS alone will bring the desired results, as if BDS by itself will fix everything. There is much the Palestinians need to do as well… namely unifying their government and creating their state.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 25, 2010, 1:31 pmAgain, your ignorance is pretty astounding. The Palestinians are not Israel's 'neighbors'. Israel was founded upon 78% of the ethnicaly cleansed land of Palestine, and expanded its control to the rest of land in 1967. The Palestinians don't live in a neighboring country, it is one country, controlled by one government, implementing two seperate sets of laws based upon ethnicity.
Posted by MohammadKF | January 25, 2010, 2:20 pmThe Palestinians don't live in a neighboring country, it is one country, controlled by one government, implementing two seperate sets of laws based upon ethnicity.
Your interpretation ignores both the facts and the law. Other than that, I guess there aren't any problems with it.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 3:09 pmStill waiting for you to quote this law…any day now.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 6:49 pmYou think BDS will make Palestinians into Israeli citizens?
Posted by Mustafa | January 27, 2010, 9:09 amBDS is a non-violent tool for placing pressure on Israel to end apartheid and ethnosupremacist policies.
Posted by MohammadKF | January 27, 2010, 12:20 pmSo is that a Yes or a No?
Posted by Mustafa | January 29, 2010, 2:51 amit is one country
Actually, it is one country of Israel, and some occupied territory that is no country. That territory will eventually be a country and then guess what? They will be neighbors. Hard to comprehend for you I know.
It doesn't matter what Israel was "founded upon" cuz it ain't going nowhere. They already kicked the Arabs asses repeatedly. Now the Arabs need to get their shit together and stop whining.
Posted by moo-ham-ass | January 27, 2010, 5:43 pmI think that the Palestinians have some more to do before the ball is really in Israel's court… when the time is right, the U.S. can bring serious pressure onto Israel to get the things that are necessary – and it will have to be a Conservative President who does it, liberals are too weak.
Netanyahu went to Washington so he and Obama could meet eye-to-eye. Obama blinked.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 5:34 pmContinues from previous post:
Very simple Mr. Eagle!
Israeli will change its behavior and policies toward Palestinians very quickly, just like the government of South Africa did. Thus, will benefit the Palestinian people the same way Black people benefited in South Africa.
Becuase of your deep rooted hate red toward Palestinians, you are so blinded to see the similarities.
Posted by Mahmoud El-Youssleph | January 24, 2010, 5:11 amI do not hate the Palestinians at all. I want to see the situation resolved with the Palestinians enjoying full civil rights, security, a much better economy, and an increased standard of living. What I oppose is the sort of delusional and dishonest ideology being that is being promoted where reality is ignored, facts are disregarded, new reality is invented, and no responsibility is taken.
Like many, I hope to see the conflict resolved during our generation. But there are still those in our generation promoting lies, hatred, and vengeful ideologies that it may actually not be resolved until future generations. Now there is the internet and information technology which makes information more freely available to people, so it is not as easy to lie now and even less so in the future.
By the way, you should look closely at the South African apartheid situation, what it was about, and how it ended. It is nothing like the Palestine situation.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 6:43 amI do not hate the Palestinians at all. I want to see the situation resolved with the Palestinians enjoying full civil rights, security, a much better economy, and an increased standard of living.
Work needs to be done to advance the Palestinians, not to deterioate Israel.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 11:10 amInteresting video….
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This time last year Gaza's farmers were feeding their world-class carnations to livestock, their business crippled by an Israeli blockade. Now for the first time since Hamas Islamists seized power in…
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 12:57 pmPalestinians in Gaza donate to Haiti
Palestinians to render humanitarian aid to Haiti
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Palestinians to render humanitarian aid to Haiti
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Palestinians in Gaza donate to Haiti
Palestinians to render humanitarian aid to Haiti
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Posted by eagle007blogger | January 24, 2010, 3:19 pmlol @ deleting my comment at the top. I guess some things are just too hard to face.
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 25, 2010, 1:46 pmApart from the fact that what you had writted was easily debunked as racist and ignorant, it just had nothing to do with the topic. You do that a lot, and its annoying. Stick to the topic in your comments.
Posted by MohammadKF | January 25, 2010, 2:23 pmIf everything that was racist and ignorant got deleted from KABOBfest the blog would be pretty sparse.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 3:11 pmAnd you would magically disappear!
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 6:48 pmeasily debunked as racist and ignorant
Apparently not, instead of debunking it, you needed to erase it.
it just had nothing to do with the topic
Well maybe not. Although the scope of the discourse in these "intense debates" can be very broad, enlightening, and thought provoking. It would seem sort of a shame to try and narrow the discussion, hemming in the debate.
My comment was objecting to the entire premise of targeting Israel, in favor of Palestinian interests… it mentioned Israeli aid efforts in Haiti in comparison Palestinian lack of any at the time, and probably the reason it was deleted was that it mentioned the Munich Olympics, and linked a video showing the Palestinians celebrating 911. Or maybe it was deleted because it asked what the Palestinians had done to warrant targeting another country, Israel, which has done so much in the world – such as in Africa.
Racist? No. Nothing was mentioned about race. That seems to be a sort of generic accusation people can level against anything they don't like: it's racist. Sean does it all the time… anything he disagrees with is racist.
Ignorant? It was factually correct, there were no factual errors or anything untrue. Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact… so was it ignorant?
By the way, have you noticed that anything derogatory and defamatory toward Israel is just fine around here? Even stuff that isn't true? Just sayin
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 26, 2010, 1:16 pmeasily debunked as racist and ignorant
If it was, then why wasn't it debunked? No, it was hard to face and needed to be erased.
nothing to do with the topic
I was objecting to the idea of targeting Israel in favor of Palestinian interests by mentioning Israeli aid efforts in Haiti in comparison to Palestinian, and by asking what Palestinians had contributed to humanity the way that Israel has, including in Africa. My comment was probably deleted because it mentioned the Munich Olympics, and had to a link to video of Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks.
Ignorant? It was factually correct, there were no factual errors. Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact, so was it ignorant?
Racist? No. Nothing was mentioned about race. That is just a generic accusation to be leveled against anything you don't like. Sean does it all the time… anything he doesn't agree with is "racist".
By the way, have you noticed that anything derogatory or defamatory towards Israel is just fine around here? Even things that aren't true? just sayin
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 26, 2010, 1:34 pm***
easily debunked as racist and ignorant
If it was, then why wasn't it debunked? No, it was hard to face and needed to be erased.
nothing to do with the topic
I was objecting to the idea of targeting Israel in favor of Palestinian interests by mentioning Israeli aid efforts in Haiti in comparison to Palestinian, and by asking what Palestinians had contributed to humanity the way that Israel has, including in Africa. My comment was probably deleted because it mentioned the Munich Olympics, and had to a link to video of Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks.
Ignorant? It was factually correct, there were no factual errors. Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact, so was it ignorant?
Racist? No. Nothing was mentioned about race. That is just a generic accusation to be leveled against anything you don't like. Sean does it all the time… anything he doesn't agree with is "racist".
By the way, have you noticed that anything derogatory or defamatory towards Israel is just fine around here? Even things that aren't true? just sayin
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Posted by eagle007blogger | January 26, 2010, 1:35 pmeasily debunked as racist and ignorant
If it was, then why wasn't it debunked? No, it was hard to face and needed to be erased.
nothing to do with the topic
I was objecting to the idea of targeting Israel in favor of Palestinian interests by mentioning Israeli aid efforts in Haiti in comparison to Palestinian, and by asking what Palestinians had contributed to humanity the way that Israel has, including in Africa. My comment was probably deleted because it mentioned the Munich Olympics, and had to a link to video of Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks.
Ignorant? It was factually correct, there were no factual errors. Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact, so was it ignorant?
Racist? No. Nothing was mentioned about race. That is just a generic accusation to be leveled against anything you don't like. Sean does it all the time… anything he doesn't agree with is "racist".
By the way, have you noticed that anything derogatory or defamatory towards Israel is just fine around here? Even things that aren't true? just sayin
Posted by lol | January 26, 2010, 1:37 pmThe blog would be gone, so of course I wouldn't be commenting here. Oh, wait. It's not bigotry when your team does it. It's "activism". I forgot.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 7:11 pmwhy are u deleting comments before i make them?
Posted by eagle007blogger | January 26, 2010, 1:16 pmHere you go:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_Gene…
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 7:13 pmJust in case you don't click the link that you asked for:
Having received and examined the report of the Special Committee (document A/364)(1) including a number of unanimous recommendations and a plan of partition with economic union approved by the majority of the Special Committee,
Considers that the present situation in Palestine is one which is likely to impair the general welfare and friendly relations among nations;
This part is interesting:
The Security Council determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution;
PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION
Part I. – Future Constitution and Government of Palestine
A. TERMINATION OF MANDATE, PARTITION AND INDEPENDENCE
The Mandate for Palestine shall terminate as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
The armed forces of the mandatory Power shall be progressively withdrawn from Palestine, the withdrawal to be completed as soon as possible but in any case not later than 1 August 1948.
Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below.
The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period.
An Arab and a Jewish state. Two states. Not one. The Jews got theirs, and Arabs have no lawful claim to it. If Arabs want theirs, they need to work for it. Instead they've just been trying to do away with the Jewish state. Unlawfully, I might add. Did I mention the part about that being illegal? And yet, Mohammad here is claiming that the Arabs already own the Jewish State. By unilateral decree, apparently.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 7:23 pmMohammad here is claiming that the Arabs already own the Jewish State. By unilateral decree, apparently.
He said no such thing and you know it. He is pointing out that there is one defacto state in place—controlled by Israel and its military—and it maintains separate laws based on ethnicity for all the people under its control.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 9:00 pmWhich has exactly zero to do with Israel's criminal occupation of the West Bank and siege of Gaza. Israel is in defacto control of the whole territory not just the area set aside in UN Resolution 181. They administer different laws based on ethnicity for everyone in that territory, both in Israel itself and in the occupied territories.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 25, 2010, 8:36 pm…and it maintains separate laws based on ethnicity for all the people under its control.
Laws based on NATIONALITY, you mean. And that's exactly what occupying powers do in occupied territory. Or do you think Iraqis has all the rights and privileges of US citizens when the US was the occupying power in their country? Can you name any time in the history of man that an occupying power granted full equality to the occupied? The very proposition that such a system should exist is absurd. That wouldn't even be occupation at all, that would be forcible annexation – which is illegal.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 9:26 pmWhich has exactly zero to do with Israel's criminal occupation of the West Bank and siege of Gaza.
a) occupation isn't "criminal" in and of itself. On what basis are you claiming the occupation of the West bank is criminal?
b) this point you are raising has nothing to do with the accusations of apartheid and Mohammad's claim that Palestinians should be treated as Israeli citizens.
Israel is in defacto control of the whole territory not just the area set aside in UN Resolution 181.
Yes, there was a war (several of them, in fact) which Resolution 181 did not anticipate and which left the land designated for the Palestinian State under Israeli occupation. Israel is in control of that land as the occupying power, which is a legal requirement. The occupying power is required by law to assume sovereignty over territory it occupies. There isn't a third way in which a state invades and occupies the enemies land, but leaves sovereignty to the enemy or refuses to accept sovereignty just because it is inconvenient. Which by the way I'm sure the Israelis would love to do if they thought they could get away with it.
Posted by programmer craig | January 25, 2010, 9:33 pma) occupation isn't "criminal" in and of itself. On what basis are you claiming the occupation of the West bank is criminal?
Under UN Resolution 242–which is binding on all UN members, and has the force of law–Israel is ordered to withdraw from the West Bank. Israel's refusal to do constitutes a violation of 242 and thus renders continued occupation illegal. 242 further emphasizes "the inadmissibility of acquisition of territory by war."
Israel has failed the requirements of a legal occupation by attempting to permanently annex portions of the land through creating settlements and transferring its population into that territory. This is a severe violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits significant alterations to enemy terrain and the transfer of a combatant's population into occupied territory. Thus whatever legality Israel's occupation may or may not have had immediately following the 1967 war went out the window in 1968 when Meir Kahane established the first illegal settlement in the West Bank with Labor Party assistance. From then on, Israel's presence in the West Bank constituted an unlawful attempt to acquire and hold territory through force. It is disingenuous in the extreme not to point out this change in character of the occupation nullifies any lawful purpose it may or may not have had.
Additionally, Israel's repeated violations of the Hague Conference, Fourth Geneva Convention, and other aspects of international law render the occupation illegal. Israeli policies such as the creation of settlements, destruction of homes, farms and groves, collective punishments, detention without trial, restrictions on freedom of movement and curfews, repression of dissent and free speech, denial of food and medical care, denial of access to employment, extradjudicial killings, and the forced expatriation of Palestinian citizens all constitute severe violations of the Geneva Convention and it would be absurd and barbaric for any international body to sanction such conduct by declaring the occupation legal. There is no question as to the illegality of Israel's occupation: Resolution 242 and numerous other resolutions aimed at Israel's unlawful conduct clearly establish that it is not.
b) this point you are raising has nothing to do with the accusations of apartheid and Mohammad's claim that Palestinians should be treated as Israeli citizens.
It has everything to do with it. The Palestinians have been systematically denied their rights under international law solely on the basis of their ethnicity. If your mundo bizarro hasbara sophistry were true, any country could invade another, "occupy" it forever while annexing territory and denying the natives any rights, liberties and sovereignty solely on the basis of ethnicity, and get away with it.
Yes, there was a war (several of them, in fact) which Resolution 181 did not anticipate and which left the land designated for the Palestinian State under Israeli occupation. Israel is in control of that land as the occupying power, which is a legal requirement. The occupying power is required by law to assume sovereignty over territory it occupies. There isn't a third way in which a state invades and occupies the enemies land, but leaves sovereignty to the enemy or refuses to accept sovereignty just because it is inconvenient. Which by the way I'm sure the Israelis would love to do if they thought they could get away with it.
This is utterly absurd. Show me where it says in any international law that an illegal occupying power is required or even allowed to maintain "sovereignty" over territory it occupies. Your understanding of the concept of "sovereignty" is as ignorant and fanciful as your understanding of apartheid.
The right to self-determination is a first principle of international law and sovereignty remains with the occupied people under an illegal occupation. You seem to have this bizarre notion that countries can just invade and annex any country they deem an "enemy" and deprive the people there of their right to self-determination.
Posted by Sean2009 | January 26, 2010, 1:03 amUnder UN Resolution 242–which is binding on all UN members, and has the force of law…
No, sorry, it doesn't have the force of law. The UN has no authority to dictate to a member state that it must withdraw from territory that it legally occupied during the course of a war. Unless it was illegal for Israel to invade and occupy in the first place, the occupation is legal.
This is a severe violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention…
I already commented on this several times over here:
http://www.michaeltotten.com/2010/01/the-middle-e…
The settlements are illegal, but that doesn't render the occupation illegal. If that's all it took, every war could be decided against the victor by finding some violations of international law (no matter how minor) and using them to roll back their whole war effort. Which I'm sure you would support, but it's not legally sound.
It has everything to do with it. The Palestinians have been systematically denied their rights under international law solely on the basis of their ethnicity.
What rights specifically do you think Palestinians have under international law? Human rights, and what else? They certainly don't have civil rights as per the State of Israel, wouldn't you agree? And even some provisions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights do not apply to enemy hostiles in occupied territory.
Show me where it says in any international law that an occupying power is required or even allowed to maintain "sovereignty" over territory it occupies.
I removed the word illegal because it was a bullshit pejorative you just threw in there to taint the discussion. Now, here you go:
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256…
Fourth Geneva Conventions, Part II, Section III. Too much for me to copy paste here, so I'll just have to assume your reading skills are better than your Google skills.
Posted by programmer craig | January 26, 2010, 6:03 pmSean, that administrator is deleting my replies to you. I guess the truth hurts to much for him to bear! Here's more from the Hague Conventions (I used the Geneva Conventions previously)
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/FULL/195
Art. 42. Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army.
The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised.
Art. 43. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
Art. 44. The authority of the legitimate power having in fact passed into the hands of the occupant, the latter shall take all the measures in his power to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, while respecting, unless absolutely prevented, the laws in force in the country.
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Posted by programmer craig | January 26, 2010, 10:13 pmEagle007, thanks for the link about Palestinian aid to Haiti.
I have read several reports about Gazans providing aid to Haiti, but have not seen report from the West Bank.
You learn new things every day!
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Posted by eagle007blogger | January 26, 2010, 2:06 pmeasily debunked as racist and ignorant
If it was, then why wasn't it debunked? No, it was hard to face and needed to be erased.
nothing to do with the topic
I was objecting to the idea of targeting Israel in favor of Palestinian interests by mentioning Israeli aid efforts in Haiti in comparison to Palestinian, and by asking what Palestinians had contributed to humanity the way that Israel has, including in Africa. My comment was probably deleted because it mentioned the Munich Olympics, and had to a link to video of Palestinians celebrating the 911 attacks.
Ignorant? It was factually correct, there were no factual errors. Ignorant means lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact, so was it ignorant?
Racist? No. Nothing was mentioned about race. That is just a generic accusation to be leveled against anything you don't like. Sean does it all the time… anything he doesn't agree with is "racist".
By the way, have you noticed that anything derogatory or defamatory towards Israel is just fine around here? Even things that aren't true? just sayin
Posted by moo-ham-ad | January 26, 2010, 2:33 pmCan't even get the censorship working right, or what?
Posted by programmer craig | January 26, 2010, 8:03 pm