Comments on: Harvard Students Rebuke Kramer and the U’s Support http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/03/harvard-students-rebuke-kramer-and-the-us-support.html The irreverent, activist, often-inappropriate Arab-American (and others) blog. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rob Rasner Wikipedia http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/03/harvard-students-rebuke-kramer-and-the-us-support.html/comment-page-1#comment-139491 Rob Rasner Wikipedia Sun, 08 May 2011 04:22:35 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=7399#comment-139491 Kudos for one's wonderful post... We actually liked reading Harvard Students Rebuke Kramer and the U’s Support | KABOBfest, you're an terrific author. We shall be sure to book mark your blog site and may revisit very soon. We like to support you continue this excellent work, enjoy your holiday weekend Rob Rasner Wikipedia ! Kudos for one’s wonderful post… We actually liked reading Harvard Students Rebuke Kramer and the U’s Support | KABOBfest, you’re an terrific author. We shall be sure to book mark your blog site and may revisit very soon. We like to support you continue this excellent work, enjoy your holiday weekend Rob Rasner Wikipedia !

]]> By: Khaled Boulos http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/03/harvard-students-rebuke-kramer-and-the-us-support.html/comment-page-1#comment-99358 Khaled Boulos Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:50:00 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=7399#comment-99358 Putting all the talk of racism and genocide aside, the thing that struck me about Kramer's comments is that they don't make sense. So it might be that the guy is just a moron and all this time we're calling him a genocidal maniac. His logic - that providing aid (food and medicine) is leading to a population glut which leads to a radicalization doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. Population growth is directly correlated to poverty, the poorer you are the more kids you're going to have. This is a fact (<a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=per+capita+gdp+and+fertility+rate" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=per+capita+g...</a> and <a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=poverty+and+population+growth)" target="_blank">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=poverty+and+...</a> and while cause and effect can be argued the one argument that can't be made is that driving people into more starvation and illness will actually reduce their numbers. But this is precisely the argument that Kramer makes. Which brings us back to the original question - is Kramer a moron? If we give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just made an error he has one of two options to correct his logic. First he can stick to his conclusion that having too many dudes leads to islamic radicalization (and a really bad clubbing experience). And now that he's armed with some facts about population growth and poverty he should call for a reversal in Israel's policy of destroying the Gazan economy and creating more poverty and despair. The more developed economy, the smaller the population, the smaller the number of superfluous young men and less terrorism against israel. His second option is to say that he understands that the punitive measures against Gaza will lead to more radicalization in the long term but that just doesn't matter. What matters is that Israel try (and fail) to eradicate the Palestinians in the cruelest and most inhumane ways possible because when you have a giant military you've just got to use it somehow. Putting all the talk of racism and genocide aside, the thing that struck me about Kramer's comments is that they don't make sense. So it might be that the guy is just a moron and all this time we're calling him a genocidal maniac. His logic – that providing aid (food and medicine) is leading to a population glut which leads to a radicalization doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. Population growth is directly correlated to poverty, the poorer you are the more kids you're going to have. This is a fact (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=per+capita+g… and http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=poverty+and+… and while cause and effect can be argued the one argument that can't be made is that driving people into more starvation and illness will actually reduce their numbers.

But this is precisely the argument that Kramer makes. Which brings us back to the original question – is Kramer a moron? If we give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just made an error he has one of two options to correct his logic. First he can stick to his conclusion that having too many dudes leads to islamic radicalization (and a really bad clubbing experience). And now that he's armed with some facts about population growth and poverty he should call for a reversal in Israel's policy of destroying the Gazan economy and creating more poverty and despair. The more developed economy, the smaller the population, the smaller the number of superfluous young men and less terrorism against israel.

His second option is to say that he understands that the punitive measures against Gaza will lead to more radicalization in the long term but that just doesn't matter. What matters is that Israel try (and fail) to eradicate the Palestinians in the cruelest and most inhumane ways possible because when you have a giant military you've just got to use it somehow.

]]> By: j t chachkes,m.d. http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/03/harvard-students-rebuke-kramer-and-the-us-support.html/comment-page-1#comment-99338 j t chachkes,m.d. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:03:52 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=7399#comment-99338 a significant reason to stop aid is that the children of the west bank are being taught genocide of Israelis and Jews. a significant reason to stop aid is that the children of the west bank are being taught genocide of Israelis and Jews.

]]> By: mahmoud el-yousseph http://www.kabobfest.com/2010/03/harvard-students-rebuke-kramer-and-the-us-support.html/comment-page-1#comment-99315 mahmoud el-yousseph Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:59:42 +0000 http://www.kabobfest.com/?p=7399#comment-99315 This Martin "Lunatic" Kramer should be taken to the ring, beaten up, bloody his nose and left on the rope to dry. .Shame of Harvard! This prestigious institution of higher learning has become an institution of higher threat in my book. Kramer's statement is racism in a raw form. And if bigotry is crime, this man would be behind bars, not poisoning students minds @ Harvard.. This Martin "Lunatic" Kramer should be taken to the ring, beaten up, bloody his nose and left on the rope to dry. .Shame of Harvard! This prestigious institution of higher learning has become an institution of higher threat in my book.

Kramer's statement is racism in a raw form. And if bigotry is crime, this man would be behind bars, not poisoning students minds @ Harvard..

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