Comments on KABOBfest: No One is Beyond the Zionut Wrath

As someone who, I assure you, is not obsessed with...

2007-10-05T04:34:00.000-07:00

As someone who, I assure you, is not obsessed with Will, maybe I can clarify this misunderstanding.

The argument was that Will is decrying the University for disinviting Tutu as an affront to free speech, yet at the same time, Will has similarly urged Universities to disinvite speakers with whom he disagreed with. Hence the apparent hypocracy.

1. How can Tutu say that Israel is apartheid if he...

2007-10-04T17:33:00.000-07:00

1. How can Tutu say that Israel is apartheid if he has never been there himself?
2. I don't think stifling someone's freedom of speech is ever going to solve the problem, even if they don't know what the hell they are talking about.
3. I think anonymous should stop anonymously posting.

So your point has nothing to do with the merits of...

2007-10-04T13:57:00.000-07:00

So your point has nothing to do with the merits of Will's post. All you're attempting to establish is:
1. Your obsession with Will (I'm sure Will is flattered)
2. Will is a hypocrite (which, as you know, has nothing to do with the merits of the post and everything to do with the author of the post)

Be honest here... how many pictures of Will do you have hanging in your room?

Fadi,And what does any of this have to do with the...

2007-10-04T13:12:00.000-07:00

Fadi,

And what does any of this have to do with the merits of Will's post? Nothing... Ok then.

Wrong. And even if you were right, which you're not, so what?

Pointing out that it's laughable (and ironic and hypocritical) for Will, of all people, to criticize other's attempts to stifle free speech has everything to do with the merits of the post.

Having said that, I think Tutu should speak wherever he is invited - and I think the University made a mistake here. A mistake, I'll note, that Berkeley did not make when Will tried to stifle free speech.

Good for Berkeley and bad for this podunc Univeristy.

Will,

I guess Tutu was an enemy of free speech because he called for international divestment from and sanctions against the apartheid regime.

Nice projection, but a feeble attempt to change the subject.

Of course he wasn't. You were an "enemy of free speech" when you tried to get a speaker kicked off a campus that birthed the Free Speech Movement.

People can agree or disagree with Tutu - but I never made the claim you tried to project on to me.

Just because I point out your blatant hypocrisy doesn't mean I'm against (or for) Tutu speaking wherever he wants. As I just wrote to Fadi, I happen to think he should be able to speak at that University, or wherever else he wants.

when a university silences a speaker, that is a violation of free speech.

That's exactly what you were calling for!

Haha. Too funny.

Has the cloudiness in the peanut floating in your head given way to clarity yet?

The projection and hypocrisy is almost too much to take.

Can't wait to see what you come up with next.

I love this:

WILL: calling for someone to be kicked off campus = "Free Speech"

Will: if the University did what I called for: "Censorship."

Hahahah.

Wow, I don't think anyone on this site has delved deeper into self-parody. And that's impressive.

Anonymous,Your points are idiotic.I guess Tutu was...

2007-10-04T12:13:00.000-07:00

Anonymous,

Your points are idiotic.

I guess Tutu was an enemy of free speech because he called for international divestment from and sanctions against the apartheid regime.

Calling for divestment and boycotts is an act of free speech. Protesting a controversial speaker is free speech -- when a university silences a speaker, that is a violation of free speech. When powerful organizations pressure universities to silence speakers, that is against the spirit of free speech.

Has the cloudiness in the peanut floating in your head given way to clarity yet?

And what does any of this have to do with the meri...

2007-10-04T11:52:00.000-07:00

And what does any of this have to do with the merits of Will's post? Nothing... Ok then.

One last thing on this note:As for this line:It's ...

2007-10-04T11:04:00.000-07:00

One last thing on this note:

As for this line:

It's not because of some imagined conspiracy.

I don't mean to suggest that there aren't people out there trying to counter you - of course there are.

Having said that, you make their jobs so ridiculously easy. It's tragic, really.

I mean, seriously, if you wonder why your movement...

2007-10-04T10:56:00.000-07:00

I mean, seriously, if you wonder why your movement has very little traction in the places you think it should have the most, and why nothing of substance that you're calling for ever gets accomplished, it's because of these reasons.

Lack of ability to see the huge hypocisy of certain actions. It's not because of some imagined conspiracy.

It's certainly fun to watch, though.

He actually is.Wrote a column calling for disinvit...

2007-10-04T10:53:00.000-07:00

He actually is.

Wrote a column calling for disinviting a speaker to Berkeley - ironically - home of the "Free Speech Movement."

Hard to get more hypocritical than that, to begin with, but then complaining about other people adopting his own tactics? That's certainly one way.

Amazing that educated individuals such as yourselves can't see the irony.

Whatever.

yes Will, you are so well known for stifling free ...

2007-10-04T10:19:00.000-07:00

yes Will, you are so well known for stifling free speech/expression???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Will, do you have any idea how ironic (let alone c...

2007-10-03T13:41:00.000-07:00

Will, do you have any idea how ironic (let alone comedic) it is for you to link/credit a website called "muzzlewatch"?

You could be their poster child for stifling free speech/expression.

Let the comedy/hypocrisy continue.