Comments on KABOBfest: Kfest Exclusive: 2nd Bin Laden Tape Released

Nice Roy! For the ones in denial, I'll repost the...

2007-09-13T13:58:00.000-07:00

Nice Roy! For the ones in denial, I'll repost the most pertinent lines:

"But while the assembly of hundreds of Palestinians in anticipation of the planned Israeli bombing did succeed in protecting Barud's home, the tactic may have backfired from a propaganda perspective: It served to demonstrate that Israel does not seek to kill Palestinian civilians wholesale, as Arab propagandists constantly claim. Indeed, it is clear the Palestinians themselves do not believe their own propaganda about Israel's alleged thirst for blood. Otherwise, they never would have been able to recruit all those human shields.

If Israel really were as sadistic as its critics claim, it wouldn't have called off yesterday's bombing run. Just the opposite: It would have jumped at the chance to kill so many Palestinians at one go. Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and hundreds of Israeli "human shields" positioned themselves in an unguarded cafe in the West Bank. Palestinian suicide bombers would be stepping over each other in an effort to attack the target. "Human shields" work only when your enemy fights like a human."

May I say... Checkmate

For those who may have missed it, I just want to p...

2007-09-13T13:25:00.000-07:00

For those who may have missed it, I just want to point out your wonderful even-handedness in casting Israel as the sole reason for Palestinian misery.

Now show me the order that Israel passed giving Pa...

2007-09-13T13:09:00.000-07:00

Now show me the order that Israel passed giving Palestinians equal rights under the law.

No such law was needed for areas that Israel doesn't govern. It passed the Golan Heights Law, though.

Meanwhile, what are you showing me? Is this going to be entirely one-sided?

me the link that shows Israel taking responsibility for the tyranny, displacement and oppression it has caused the Palestinians for over 60 years.

Apparently that's a "yes". I supply facts, sources, and arguments, and you supply hyperbole and emotionally-charged blather. Great.

Show me where Israel takes responsiblity for the lives it has ruined, the terrorism it has caused and the land it has stolen.

Maybe this is what you're looking for.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/Summar...

2007-09-13T12:39:00.000-07:00

http://www.btselem.org/English/Publications/Summaries/200205_Land_Grab.asp

Pali-Anti-American has a lot of balls asking for s...

2007-09-13T12:38:00.000-07:00

Pali-Anti-American has a lot of balls asking for sources when he's never supplied one, evah!

Becareful Pali-American,You may push Roy to join t...

2007-09-13T12:32:00.000-07:00

Becareful Pali-American,

You may push Roy to join the IDF, where he'll shoot kids under 13 in the face, drop bombs on old Palestinian women, steal land and give it to Europoeans.

Nice. Now show me the order that Israel passed gi...

2007-09-13T12:27:00.001-07:00

Nice. Now show me the order that Israel passed giving Palestinians equal rights under the law. Show me the link that shows Israel taking responsibility for the tyranny, displacement and oppression it has caused the Palestinians for over 60 years. Show me where Israel takes responsiblity for the lives it has ruined, the terrorism it has caused and the land it has stolen. I googled, but couldn't find it.

"Please don't confuse the issues. Palestinians hav...

2007-09-13T12:27:00.000-07:00

"Please don't confuse the issues. Palestinians have a lot in commone with the Jews of Nazi Germany and Blacks during US Slavery."

Yeah, Palestinians have in common, the ability to leach onto other's narratives, since theirs are mostly based on lies. Who was the leader of the Palestinians before yoru gay Arafat? Name a king, president, etc. When was Palestine founded (not by Romans)?

It's bullshit, neither Jews nor blacks support this comparison. Only weak, terrorist supporting Palistinians have the disrespect to leach onto and dimish other's suffering to justify their own. Like I said, pathetic. Pa....thetic. Shame.

Roy/Truth 15 , Pali-AntiAmericans 0

Careful Roy, you're going to get this loser so wor...

2007-09-13T12:24:00.000-07:00

Careful Roy, you're going to get this loser so worked up, he may decide to go InstaJihadee like this idiot in Dearbornistan:

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/13/video-freelance-terror-attack-averted-in-michigan/

Training to be a doctor no less.... hmmm

Israel prosecutes Israelis for violence against Pa...

2007-09-13T12:23:00.000-07:00

Israel prosecutes Israelis for violence against Palestinians

Ever see Palestinians prosecuting their own for attacks on Israelis?

Nope.

Another
Another: Last year, a female Israeli soldier assigned to a Gaza Strip checkpoint was convicted of forcing a Palestinian woman at gunpoint to drink a bottle of cleaning fluid, according to court records.

Compare that with Hamas' request that Palestinian terrorists keep their rockets away from border crossings, lest they impede Palestinian activities.

Please don't confuse the issues. Palestinians hav...

2007-09-13T12:22:00.000-07:00

Please don't confuse the issues. Palestinians have a lot in commone with the Jews of Nazi Germany and Blacks during US Slavery.

Truth 11 Roy 0

Please don't insult the memory of black slaves in ...

2007-09-13T12:19:00.000-07:00

Please don't insult the memory of black slaves in America's dark period, by comparing them to the Palestinian terrorists, especially given the Arab World's contempt for black people, and supported by Arab militias in murdering blacks in Darfur.

It's really pathetic and justifies no comparison. In fact, the only reason you make this comparisoon is to deflect attention away from your weak argument, which if true, needs no comparison to hold its own ground.

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The article also mentions the Golan Heights Law, w...

2007-09-13T12:13:00.000-07:00

The article also mentions the Golan Heights Law, which gave residents there the same rights and responsibilities as others in Israel.

So much for your "equal rights" claim.

This article on settlements should help you unders...

2007-09-13T12:09:00.000-07:00

This article on settlements should help you understand the facts a little better.

No confiscation. No giving to Jews. You get a heaping double-dose of FAIL. Enjoy it.

It is a fact that Israel controls the lives of mil...

2007-09-13T11:56:00.000-07:00

It is a fact that Israel controls the lives of millions of Palestinians who live outside of that which you imply is the end of Israel's border.

No, it is not. Israel has influence, but does not "control their lives". Israel is not their government.

you believe Israle does not confiscate Paletinian land and build settlements for Jews.

I don't believe Israel confiscated Palestinian land for those settlements.

My Nat Turner analogy is on point.

Nope. It's a tremendous reach for something you hope will give you moral high ground if only you can make it fit.

But you can't. So you have to rely on your own ability to present an argument.

Disaster.

"Those weren't people who live in Israel. There is...

2007-09-13T11:34:00.000-07:00

"Those weren't people who live in Israel. There isn't a double standard outside Israel's borders, because there aren't Israelis living there (apart from the settlers, who I have never supported).

So your complaint is that Israel treats those outside Israel differently from those inside it?"

It is a fact that Israel controls the lives of millions of Palestinians who live outside of that which you imply is the end of Israel's border. Those people who are under Israel's control do not have equal rights under the entity, Israel, that controls them.

"Yes".

You contradict yourself. You state "...apart from the settlers, who I have never supported"...thus acknowledging the existence of settlments, yet you answered "Yes" that you believe Israle does not confiscate Paletinian land and build settlements for Jews.

My Nat Turner analogy is on point.

That's why there were two Intifadas, to express th...

2007-09-13T11:14:00.000-07:00

That's why there were two Intifadas, to express the Palestinians happiness to live under Isralie tyranny and oppression.

Those weren't people who live in Israel. There isn't a double standard outside Israel's borders, because there aren't Israelis living there (apart from the settlers, who I have never supported).

So your complaint is that Israel treats those outside Israel differently from those inside it?

Do you deny that Israel confiscates Palestinian land and builds settlements on them, and gives those settlements to Jews?

Yes.

So you admit that 50% of the people Israel controls (who are also non-Jews) are not given Isralie citizenship because they are not Jewish.

No.

I'll describe the slave analogy again for you.

Thanks. It's just as stupid an irrelevant the second time around.

Nothing can justify this treatment of the Palestinians.

Maybe they should end the war.

"And by and large, they're pretty content."Wow. Th...

2007-09-13T10:25:00.000-07:00

"And by and large, they're pretty content."

Wow. They are content living under control of an entity but not having equal rights? That's why there were two Intifadas, to express the Palestinians happiness to live under Isralie tyranny and oppression.

Do you deny that Israel confiscates Palestinian land and builds settlements on them, and gives those settlements to Jews?

Not even Israel denys this.

" We don't let Mexicans vote, either."

So you admit that 50% of the people Israel controls (who are also non-Jews) are not given Isralie citizenship because they are not Jewish.

I'll describe the slave analogy again for you. There was a system in the US by which blacks were slaves and not given full rights under the law. There were slave rebellions against this evil horrible institution. In those slave rebellions, one of which was led by Nat Turner, many innocent white people, including babies and women were killed.

That was wrong. This wrong committed by Nat Turner however did not make slavery right.

The Palestinians suffer tyranny and oppression by Israel. Israel controls the lives of millions of Palestinians (which equals 50% of the people controlled by Israel, blacks make up about 12% of the US), those Palestinians controlled by Israel are not given citzienship are subjected to routine torture, murder, terrorism, land confiscation and many other well documented human rights abuses.

Nothing can justify this treatment of the Palestinians.

Next time someone discusses the horrors of slavery...

2007-09-13T09:25:00.000-07:00

Next time someone discusses the horrors of slavery, I will be sure to condem them for not pointing out that certain slaves killed innocent white people.

Your analogy is broken. Do you know why?*

Israel controls the lives of millions of non-Jews. Those millions of non-jews are subject to Israel's control.

And by and large, they're pretty content.

Israel denies those non-Jews it controls citizenship and equal rights under the law, because they are not Jewish.

That is a lie.

It steals their land and gives it to Jews around the world.

That is another lie.

Random jailings, beatings and killings are the norm.

That is another lie.

Palestinians under Israel's control are not given equal rights under Isralie law and are not allowed to participate in Israel's democracy, but rather must simply live under its control.

That is blather. They're not Israelis (note the spelling; it's a word you use a lot, so it behooves you to spell it right). We don't let Mexicans vote, either. Boo-frickin'-hoo.

Palestinians under Palestinian control often fare much worse.

*It's because "certain slaves" is an exceptional case; Palestinians killing Palestinians is pretty common; often comparable to the number killed by Israelis.

Next time someone discusses the horrors of slavery...

2007-09-13T08:51:00.000-07:00

Next time someone discusses the horrors of slavery, I will be sure to condem them for not pointing out that certain slaves killed innocent white people.

Israel controls the lives of millions of non-Jews. Those millions of non-jews are subject to Israel's control. Israel denies those non-Jews it controls citizenship and equal rights under the law, because they are not Jewish. It steals their land and gives it to Jews around the world. It doesn't allow Palestinians who are citizens of other countries to live in their native villages and town, but gives Jews with no connection to the land a citizenship, instantly, because they are Jewish.

Many Jewish human rights groups of documented systematic torture of Palestinains in order to maintain the status quo. Random jailings, beatings and killings are the norm.

Palestinians under Israel's control are not given equal rights under Isralie law and are not allowed to participate in Israel's democracy, but rather must simply live under its control.

You see Roy, I don't justify the killing of innoce...

2007-09-13T08:45:00.000-07:00

You see Roy, I don't justify the killing of innocent Isralies. I think its horrible and should be condemend.

It just doesn't get the amount of vitriol you reserve for Jews. Or for anyone (like me) who points out that Palestinians actually do what you claim here that you condemn.

Moral consistency, bitch, try it.

You and moral consistency have never met.

You mischaracterize Israeli attacks, and you never mention Palstinian atrocities, except when someone else points out that you never mention them. Then you give the perfunctory "I condemn those, too" blanket statement and go back to demonizing Jews.

You don't get to lecture me. You're a dishonest, childish, ridiculously emotional idiot who can't present a cogent argument.

If Roy was a white slave owner in the US, he would...

2007-09-13T08:38:00.001-07:00

If Roy was a white slave owner in the US, he would have argued that people like Nat Turner (who killed innocent white people during his slave rebellion) justified slavery.

You see Roy, I don't justify the killing of innocent Isralies. I think its horrible and should be condemend. You on the other hand justify the killing of innocent Palestinians.

Nat Turner was wrong for killing innocent white people, but that didn't make slavery right.

Those Palestinians who target innocent Isralies are wrong. The continued tyranny and oppression of the Palestinians people by Israel is wrong and nothing can justify it.

Firing missles into crowded Palestinian markets and blowing up Palestinian grandmas, children and random street corner falafal vendors is terrorism. Oppression millions of people, controlling their lives, excerising control over them by your State, while denying them the right to be a part of the state is tyranny.

Moral consistency, bitch, try it.

Next time the NYPD put 50 bullets in a black man, ...

2007-09-13T08:38:00.000-07:00

Next time the NYPD put 50 bullets in a black man, I will be sure to argue black on black violence as a defense.

I didn't offer a defense. I offered perspective. Do you say that black on black violence should be ignored because sometimes police do bad things?

That's how you treat Palestine: free pass until Israel is perfect.

What? Israel brutalizes millions of Palestinians on a daily, tortures thousands, displaced over a million, has killed and handicapped thousands and steals their land to give to others based on religion.

You're a liar, and of course you continue to pretend that Palestinians have done nothing unreasonable.

"About as many as are killed by Palestinians."Next...

2007-09-13T08:24:00.000-07:00

"About as many as are killed by Palestinians."

Next time the NYPD put 50 bullets in a black man, I will be sure to argue black on black violence as a defense.

"Palestinians have set the bar much lower regarding killing civilians than Israel has. Do you deny this?"

What? Israel brutalizes millions of Palestinians on a daily, tortures thousands, displaced over a million, has killed and handicapped thousands and steals their land to give to others based on religion.

"Is that foam streaming down your beard?"

That's just stupid.

Wild Thyme Kitchen: A little clarification for you...

2007-09-13T08:20:00.000-07:00

Wild Thyme Kitchen: A little clarification for your "Truther" hype:
Although bin Laden also later appeared on the first publicly released FBI Most Wanted Terrorists list on October 10, 2001, he was listed there for the 1998 embassy attack, and not for his alleged role in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000, because the most wanted lists name fugitives charged with a crime by a prosecutor or under indictment by a grand jury. Bin Laden was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in, for instance, the federal indictment against convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, but has not been formally indicted for his role in the September 11, 2001 attacks.